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Cocked & locked, i've been associated w/this forum for quite awhile and i have seen a great deal of member's posting who have gone out of way to antagonize another member, but i must profess, your posting(s) on this thread have been the most insulting & degrading towards someone to date!

the sad part is your message MIGHT be incredibly correct in context, but as stated, in spirit and tenor towards the other member, you lost any and all credibility of the message's content to your intended audience as you felt the unmitigated need to boost your ego & self-worth by degrading their character in your tirate.

a final thought...per forum mandates...do you have cites for your rhetoric ?

oh btw, since you wanted thanks...
thanks cocked & locked...for provided living proof to Twain's theory, Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
All I did was answer his question twice....and because he could not deal with it he came at me (and my clients indirectly) with a personal vile attack. In my book, he deserved more than he got. I was actually gentle.

Putting aside all personalities, do you agree with him or me. Because while the "spirit and terror" was directed at him, the information was for all forum members who are interested in good information.

As for cites for "the police arrest and prosecutors charge", look at any criminal filing in any jurisdiction of your choosing. When you find one that has been filed by the police, please let me know.
 
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Cocked & locked, i've been associated w/this forum for quite awhile and i have seen a great deal of member's posting who have gone out of way to antagonize another member, but i must profess, your posting(s) on this thread have been the most insulting & degrading towards someone to date!

the sad part is your message MIGHT be incredibly correct in context, but as stated, in spirit and tenor towards the other member, you lost any and all credibility of the message's content to your intended audience as you felt the unmitigated need to boost your ego & self-worth by degrading their character in your tirate.

a final thought...per forum mandates...do you have cites for your rhetoric ?

oh btw, since you wanted thanks...
thanks cocked & locked...for provided living proof to Twain's theory, Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
And his post #16 to me was?
 

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All I did was answer his question twice....and because he could not deal with it he came at me (and my clients indirectly) with a personal vile attack. In my book, he deserved more than he got. I was actually gentle.

Putting aside all personalities, do you agree with him or me. Because while the "spirit and terror" was directed at him, the information was for all forum members who are interested in good information.

sorry there are no sides per se as your new egotistical rant is still playing needless oneupmanship to promote yourself.

further, as i mentioned, where did your statutory cite of your infamous information come from ~ state/federal/community?
 

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sorry there are no sides per se as your new egotistical rant is still playing needless oneupmanship to promote yourself.

further, as i mentioned, where did your statutory cite of your infamous information come from ~ state/federal/community?
Perhaps you do not understand. I have made my statement. I stand by my statement. If you dispute my statement then the onus is on you. Find a criminal case that was filed by the police agency as opposed to the prosecutor's office. Good luck!
 

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Perhaps you do not understand. I have made my statement. I stand by my statement. If you dispute my statement then the onus is on you. Find a criminal case that was filed by the police agency as opposed to the prosecutor's office. Good luck!

well ya know cock...kinda hate to burst your ego filled bubble, but it seems without any type of a cite [mandated by forum rules] to afford validation, the extravagant exaggeration information you so graciously spew out in this thread is truly considered nonsense, especially since there are 12.5K LE agencies [not counting 3.K SOs] in this great country which leaves a small question of if your info is applicable for one community LE agency or across the board in all 12.5K agencies in all 50 states!!

so i guess your stand by your uncited statement is nothing more than a frivolous pipe-dream of your imagination!
 

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well ya know cock...kinda hate to burst your ego filled bubble, but it seems without any type of a cite [mandated by forum rules] to afford validation, the extravagant exaggeration information you so graciously spew out in this thread is truly considered nonsense, especially since there are 12.5K LE agencies [not counting 3.K SOs] in this great country which leaves a small question of if your info is applicable for one community LE agency or across the board in all 12.5K agencies in all 50 states!!

so i guess your stand by your uncited statement is nothing more than a frivolous pipe-dream of your imagination!
Don't worry yourself. You could never burst my bubble. I will however proceed to burst yours.

As a preliminary matter, since you self-appointed yourself as the referee in this matter, the least you could do is be fair and impartial. You had a lot to say about post #17. But before there was a post #17 there was a post #16. Why no running commentary on that post?

Second, before I made my assertion, CoL made his ridiculous assertion about police filing charges. Why did you not ask him to cite you one instance where that has happened? It certainly did not happen in Black, which was the specific case being discussed.

Third, and most importantly, I don't give you cites for a variety of reasons.

(1) I am not trying to convince you of anything. You have my assertion. You are free to believe what you want to believe. And I really don't give a shit what you believe. It doesn't change a thing for me.

(2) I don't respect you enough to give you cite. You have already shown yourself to be both unfair and partial (see my preliminary statement).

(3) You have ,shown yourself to be a man without conviction. I asked you flat out where you stood and you did not have the cojones to take a stand on either side.

(4) You have shown yourself to be a hysterical person. You let personality stand in the way of enlightenment. Me.... if Hitler can teach me something, then I am willing to learn. That is the difference between you and me.

(5) I am not going to waste my time looking to prove something I already know is true. If you want to waste your time looking for a situation I don't believe exists then have at it

(6) And finally, the reason I don't believe there is a police agency out there charging people is because, while I don't know what 12K police agencies do, I was a lawyer for the NYPD ( the largest police dept. In the country). Additional, over the course of over 30 yrs I have interacted with about 100 different police agencies from NY to Miami, and the FBI to the ATF. And do you know what they all have in common that is dispositive on this issue? Of course not. Because you have ZERO experience regarding this.
 
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Don't worry yourself. You could never burst my bubble. I will however proceed to burst yours.

As a preliminary matter, since you self-appointed yourself as the referee in this matter, the least you could do is be fair and impartial. You had a lot to say about post #17. But before there was a post #17 there was a post #16. Why no running commentary on that post?

Second, before I made my assertion, CoL made his ridiculous assertion about police filing charges. Why did you not ask him to cite you one instance where that has happened? It certainly did not happen in Black, which was the specific case being discussed.

Third, and most importantly, I don't give you cites for a variety of reasons.

(1) I am not trying to convince you of anything. You have my assertion. You are free to believe what you want to believe. And I really don't give a shit what you believe. It doesn't change a thing for me.

(2) I don't respect you enough to give you cite. You have already shown yourself to be both unfair and partial (see my preliminary statement).

(3) You have ,shown yourself to be a man without conviction. I asked you flat out where you stood and you did not have the cojones to take a stand on either side.

(4) You have shown yourself to be a hysterical person. You let personality stand in the way of enlightenment. Me.... if Hitler can teach me something, then I am willing to learn. That is the difference between you and me.

(5) I am not going to waste my time looking to prove something I already know is true. If you want to waste your time looking for a situation I don't believe exists then have at it

(6) And finally, the reason I don't believe there is a police agency out there charging people is because, while I don't know what 12K police agencies do, I was a lawyer for the NYPD ( the largest police dept. In the country). Additional, over the course of over 30 yrs I have interacted with about 100 different police agencies from NY to Miami, and the FBI to the ATF. And do you know what they all have in common that is dispositive on this issue? Of course not. Because you have ZERO experience regarding this.

Alas cock, tis a shame you fail to even begin to observe the basic tenets of this forum's foundation since it's inception:

a. The law is always in a state of flux and even lawyers and judges get it wrong from time to time. All advice posted on this forum should be considered nothing more than hearsay. Even if a poster identifies themselves as an attorney, law enforcement official or expert in a given field, there is no way to verify that fact or that they are correct.

b. If you do not agree with any of these Rules then please do not use this site, because BY USING THIS SITE YOU WILL BE DEEMED TO HAVE IRREVOCABLY AGREED TO THESE RULES.

(5) CITE TO AUTHORITY:
If you state a rule of law, it is incumbent upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when available, is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.

(6) NO PERSONAL ATTACKS:
While you may disagree strongly with another poster based upon their opinion, we will NOT tolerate any personal attacks...[such as directed towards myself hysterical, w/o conviction, no respect, unfair/and partial, ad nauseam]

[cite: https://xf.opencarry.org/index.php?help/rules/]

that stated, let's look at your recent commentary>
(4) > ah the use of "godwin's law [created by an attorney btw] aka Reductio ad Hitlerum" and use of that derailing tactic historically loses the argument!

(5) > "I already know is true..." please see forum rules mentioned above a. & b. above

(6)
a. you explicated demeaned a member's integrity and hurled insults at myself during your commentary(ies) alluding all encompassing knowledge on the subject, yet now you state..."i don't know what the 12.5K LE agencies do..." then only now espouse you were only associated with NYPD ~ really?

b. further, your leap towards the opinion of me with your statement, "...you have ZERO experience..." is a little like calling the kettle black isn't it since it wasn't until this last post you articulated the LE agency and your background.!

Finally, you have acknowledged a complete lack of insight on this country's 12.5 LE agencies' policy regarding the thread's subject matter...which leads me to presume you also lack absolutely any insight into the policies of this country's highest peace officer agencies as well ~ the 3.5 county Sheriffs policy(ies)!!

so to recap mate, you jumped in with both feet, insulting members as you went, all the while knowing you lack sufficient subject matter bandwidth & background to intelligently discuss the issue at all; oh right, threw in and used Godwin's Law to bolster your perceived standing...then state your background is strictly from an NYPD standing...sound bout right?

cheers
 

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+1. Tip o’ the hat.

Reinforcing what I learned in my citizen’s police academy. Cops observe, investigate, apprehend, recommend and incarcerate.
Really? Either the cops left out some important items or your mind is failing you.

Page 1 - Ohio Supreme Court: For the reasons that follow, we hold that a charge is not pending for purposes of calculating speedy-trial time pursuant to R.C. 2945.71(C) until the accused has been formally charged by a criminal complaint or indictment, is held pending the filing of charges, or is released on bail or recognizance.
Page 2 - Complaint: Complaint by police officer charging trespass.
Pages 3 thru 5 – Page 5 – THE COURT: All right. Mr. Liu, will you read the complaint to……
See attached.

The majority of states operate the same as Ohio, even federal courts.
Form Number: AO 91
Form Name: Criminal Complaint
Category: Law Enforcement, Grand Jury, and Prosecution Forms

Rule 3. The Complaint
The complaint is a written statement of the essential facts constituting the offense charged. Except as provided in Rule 4.1, it must be made under oath before a magistrate judge or, if none is reasonably available, before a state or local judicial officer.

RULE 3. Complaint
The complaint is a written statement of the essential facts constituting the offense charged. It shall also state the numerical designation of the applicable statute or ordinance. It shall be made upon oath before any person authorized by law to administer oaths.

Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
 

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Really? Either the cops left out some important items or your mind is failing you.

Page 1 - Ohio Supreme Court: For the reasons that follow, we hold that a charge is not pending for purposes of calculating speedy-trial time pursuant to R.C. 2945.71(C) until the accused has been formally charged by a criminal complaint or indictment, is held pending the filing of charges, or is released on bail or recognizance.
Page 2 - Complaint: Complaint by police officer charging trespass.
Pages 3 thru 5 – Page 5 – THE COURT: All right. Mr. Liu, will you read the complaint to……
See attached.

The majority of states operate the same as Ohio, even federal courts.
Form Number: AO 91
Form Name: Criminal Complaint
Category: Law Enforcement, Grand Jury, and Prosecution Forms

Rule 3. The Complaint
The complaint is a written statement of the essential facts constituting the offense charged. Except as provided in Rule 4.1, it must be made under oath before a magistrate judge or, if none is reasonably available, before a state or local judicial officer.

RULE 3. Complaint
The complaint is a written statement of the essential facts constituting the offense charged. It shall also state the numerical designation of the applicable statute or ordinance. It shall be made upon oath before any person authorized by law to administer oaths.

Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
Really? Either the cops left out some important items or your mind is failing you.

Page 1 - Ohio Supreme Court: For the reasons that follow, we hold that a charge is not pending for purposes of calculating speedy-trial time pursuant to R.C. 2945.71(C) until the accused has been formally charged by a criminal complaint or indictment, is held pending the filing of charges, or is released on bail or recognizance.
Page 2 - Complaint: Complaint by police officer charging trespass.
Pages 3 thru 5 – Page 5 – THE COURT: All right. Mr. Liu, will you read the complaint to……
See attached.

The majority of states operate the same as Ohio, even federal courts.
Form Number: AO 91
Form Name: Criminal Complaint
Category: Law Enforcement, Grand Jury, and Prosecution Forms

Rule 3. The Complaint
The complaint is a written statement of the essential facts constituting the offense charged. Except as provided in Rule 4.1, it must be made under oath before a magistrate judge or, if none is reasonably available, before a state or local judicial officer.

RULE 3. Complaint
The complaint is a written statement of the essential facts constituting the offense charged. It shall also state the numerical designation of the applicable statute or ordinance. It shall be made upon oath before any person authorized by law to administer oaths.

Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

You know…. Every time you touch your keyboard you prove me more correct!

I said earlier that you apparently had a problem with reading comprehension. Your latest post is now “Exhibit A” attesting to that fact. Here is why.

Let me do this step by step for people that lack basic reading comprehension. A “complaint”, in and of itself, is NOT a “charge”. A “charge” is the PROCESS of FILING that complaint in a court of law. The person who files that complaint in a court of law (and thus “charges”) is the prosecutor, NOT THE POLICE! The police CANNOT file that complaint in court, even if they wanted to! The prosecutor files that complaint on behalf of the “people”, not the police. It is the “people”, not the police, who are the injured party. This will become relevant in a minute.

The police CANNOT file the complaint in court because of some simple basic reasons. Reasons, that if you were a real lawyer, you would be aware of. Reasons, that if you had any litigation experience, you would be aware of. Reasons, that if you had any idea how the criminal justice system was structured, you would be aware of. Reasons that, had you been aware of, would have prevented you from even asking your initial idiotic question!


Reason #1 that the police cannot file the complaint is because the police are not a “LEGAL ENTITY”. YOU HAVE TO BE A “LEGAL PERSON” TO FILE A CASE (any case) IN COURT. Any real litigator knows this. This is the first minute of the first day of Litigation 101. CMPD (and indeed every police agency that I am aware of) is not a “legal person”. I actually tried to give you a hint in my post when I intentionally misstated that I was a lawyer for the NYPD. I was actually a lawyer for the City of New York. The NYPD is an agency of the legal entity City of New York. Therefore I could not be a lawyer for the NYPD. You should have caught that except you have no experience! Any litigator knows you might get sued by GM…..but you can never get sued by Buick!

Reason #2 the police cannot file the complaint is that they don’t have STANDING. The police are not the injured party in the case and therefore do not have standing to file a case on their own behalf (pro se). They also lack the legal authority to represent anyone else’s interest (let alone the people’s interest) in court. No police agency that I am aware of has been legally designated to represent the people! I don’t believe it is even legally possible to designate the police to represent another’s interest in court.

If you were who you represent yourself to be…… you would have known all this!
 

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You know…. Every time you touch your keyboard you prove me more correct!

I said earlier that you apparently had a problem with reading comprehension. Your latest post is now “Exhibit A” attesting to that fact. Here is why.

Let me do this step by step for people that lack basic reading comprehension. A “complaint”, in and of itself, is NOT a “charge”. A “charge” is the PROCESS of FILING that complaint in a court of law. The person who files that complaint in a court of law (and thus “charges”) is the prosecutor, NOT THE POLICE! The police CANNOT file that complaint in court, even if they wanted to! The prosecutor files that complaint on behalf of the “people”, not the police. It is the “people”, not the police, who are the injured party. This will become relevant in a minute.

The police CANNOT file the complaint in court because of some simple basic reasons. Reasons, that if you were a real lawyer, you would be aware of. Reasons, that if you had any litigation experience, you would be aware of. Reasons, that if you had any idea how the criminal justice system was structured, you would be aware of. Reasons that, had you been aware of, would have prevented you from even asking your initial idiotic question!


Reason #1 that the police cannot file the complaint is because the police are not a “LEGAL ENTITY”. YOU HAVE TO BE A “LEGAL PERSON” TO FILE A CASE (any case) IN COURT. Any real litigator knows this. This is the first minute of the first day of Litigation 101. CMPD (and indeed every police agency that I am aware of) is not a “legal person”. I actually tried to give you a hint in my post when I intentionally misstated that I was a lawyer for the NYPD. I was actually a lawyer for the City of New York. The NYPD is an agency of the legal entity City of New York. Therefore I could not be a lawyer for the NYPD. You should have caught that except you have no experience! Any litigator knows you might get sued by GM…..but you can never get sued by Buick!

Reason #2 the police cannot file the complaint is that they don’t have STANDING. The police are not the injured party in the case and therefore do not have standing to file a case on their own behalf (pro se). They also lack the legal authority to represent anyone else’s interest (let alone the people’s interest) in court. No police agency that I am aware of has been legally designated to represent the people! I don’t believe it is even legally possible to designate the police to represent another’s interest in court.

If you were who you represent yourself to be…… you would have known all this!

to quote Scott's epic poem, Marmion: A Tale of Flodden Field...

"Oh what a tangled web we weave/When first we practice to deceive"

mate, you have misrepresented yourself to the forum members numerous times as you lied and acted dishonestly towards us as you have instigated and initiating problems and a domino structure of complications which has shown your true colors and collaborated to nefariously spread misinformation for whatever personal reason you have contrived.

you should follow your own guidance..."if you were who you represent yourself to be..." oh wait...you do not know "I intentionally misstated that I was a lawyer for the NYPD"

truly a shame you're wasting you mind to engage in ugly tasks...sigh
 

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to quote Scott's epic poem, Marmion: A Tale of Flodden Field...

"Oh what a tangled web we weave/When first we practice to deceive"

mate, you have misrepresented yourself to the forum members numerous times as you lied and acted dishonestly towards us as you have instigated and initiating problems and a domino structure of complications which has shown your true colors and collaborated to nefariously spread misinformation for whatever personal reason you have contrived.

you should follow your own guidance..."if you were who you represent yourself to be..." oh wait...you do not know "I intentionally misstated that I was a lawyer for the NYPD"

truly a shame you're wasting you mind to engage in ugly tasks...sigh
Don't get it twisted. It was simply a trap for a rat. Don't get mad if the rat fell in. Also, you should really worry about yourself. You did not see the trap either.

As for the rest of the forum, I beg your forgiveness for my transgression. Nightmare..do you forgive me?.
 
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Ladies and gentleman we have troll. Any troll asking Nightmare for forgiveness truly has a troubled life. The confessional awaits your appearance.

Have a good day.
 

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Ladies and gentleman we have troll. Any troll asking Nightmare for forgiveness truly has a troubled life. The confessional awaits your appearance.

Have a good day.
Have a good day? It is still early. I have just taken the forum on a step-by-step explanation as to why the police cannot file charges. You claim exactly the opposite. So why don't you take us thru a step-by-step explanation concerning exactly how the police CAN file criminal charges. Then the forum can decide who the troll is. Let's see those Accomplished Advocacy skills at work.
 

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Don't get it twisted. It was simply a trap for a rat. Don't get mad if the rat fell in. Also, you should really worry about yourself. You did not see the trap either.

As for the rest of the forum, I beg your forgiveness for my transgression. Nightmare..do you forgive me?.

alas mate...you have completely fulfilled twain's quote...convincing the public what you are...for an eternity...on gore's www!

further, that you egotistically believe we 'fell in' is quite a false belief on your part as you continued to play the court jester we dealt to the end...

please keep piling your nonsense but you have convinced the world of your true nature...
 

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alas mate...you have completely fulfilled twain's quote...convincing the public what you are...for an eternity...on gore's www!

further, that you egotistically believe we 'fell in' is quite a false belief on your part as you continued to play the court jester we dealt to the end...

please keep piling your nonsense but you have convinced the world of your true nature...
Solus... forget about my personality. Stop distracting from the issue at hand with your nonsense. Our Accomplished Advocate has made a claim that the police can charge a crime. The forum is awaiting with bated breath for an explanation on how exactly that is possible. Please speak Mr. Accomplished Advocate, or forever lay waste to your self-proclaimed title. The keyboard is yours.
 

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Solus... forget about my personality. Stop distracting from the issue at hand with your nonsense. Our Accomplished Advocate has made a claim that the police can charge a crime. The forum is awaiting with bated breath for an explanation on how exactly that is possible. Please speak Mr. Accomplished Advocate, or forever lay waste to your self-proclaimed title. The keyboard is yours.

sorry mate, your behaviour is disgusting, your nonsensical rhetoric Is boring, and your failing to adhere to common courtesy(ies) as well as forum policies means your message is worthless as you prattle on like the savant you believe you are!

go well mate...
 

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sorry mate, your behaviour is disgusting, your nonsensical rhetoric Is boring, and your failing to adhere to common courtesy(ies) as well as forum policies means your message is worthless as you prattle on like the savant you believe you are!

go well mate...
So then why are we not hearing from our Accomplished Advocate? Please speak AA. I beg of you to speak. I need "Exhibit B" to make my next point! LOL

Don't let my Shakespeare scare you oh great one. Pray tell, how can the police file criminal charges?
 

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The rat has been outed.
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Based on some of the problems in the prosecutor's office in St. Louis and Kim Gardiner's disregard for many officers, it appears that the police do the arresting of suspects based on certain possible charges but it is up to the prosecutor to actually file for those (or other) charges.
What I find questionable is that someone who has been a member here for over 9 years and has so few posts.
 
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