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Family makes Citizens Arrest after being victims of break in.

DeSchaine

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Further proof that people from Alabama are awesome.

http://www.wsfa.com/story/27628185/burglary-victims-catch-suspects-hold-them-for-authorities

http://www.wsfa.com/story/27635961/...r-they-held-burglary-suspects-for-authorities

Even showing those gun hating Brits how and why its done.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-intruders-passing-street-way-break-in.html

Pinching the people responsible for busting into your house and stealing your stuff has got to be very gratifying. I find it hilarious that part of the arrest was caught on tape by a news crew there doing an interview about the original break in.

Roll Tide, Roll.
 

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I wonder the % of knocks during the day are actual burglars ?
I've been told that many door-to-door solicitors/salesmen are actually the lead elements of B&E teams - they determine who is home and who is not and/or they get a chance to see what you have inside.

Many municipalities require permits to do this type of work.
 

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Many municipalities require permits to do this type of work.

And darned few that do bother to enforce them.

As much as I'd like to prone them out on the gravel driveway and hold them for the cops it does not seem worth the effort to wait for the cops to arrive only to tell the miscreants to go get a permit (or worse yet, to make sure they have a permit before knocking on my door:uhoh:).

stay safe.
 

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And darned few that do bother to enforce them.

As much as I'd like to prone them out on the gravel driveway and hold them for the cops it does not seem worth the effort to wait for the cops to arrive only to tell the miscreants to go get a permit (or worse yet, to make sure they have a permit before knocking on my door:uhoh:).

stay safe.
I have personally seen/witnessed great responses from Chesterfield PD on this issue. One notable incident, the young man was arrested and stuffed after the initial stop - think they found something on his person.

Oh and yes I was the one to make the phone call.
 

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A rare "win"

The UK Mail article mentions that security video installations have soared recently. I saw the reason why when I lived in western Mississippi. People who live in rural areas are very vulnerable to the tactics employed by these thieves, and thefts like these were rampant. They count on everybody being at work during daylight hours and sparse population density to avoid potential witnesses, and the fact that LE coverage of these rural areas is almost non-existent. Then smash, grab, and boogie. The fact that the state line was only 5 miles away made it easy to get out of the jurisdiction before anyone knew what had happened. In addition to the usual loot (mainly flat-screen TVs and game systems), it was very common for them to steal people's dogs--I shudder to think why.

Further illustration of why MS and AL are always tied for last place in everything (except football, which is apparently what matters most)
 

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Love the pic of Sarah Wyatt in her camo w pink gun drawn down on the 'suspects'...
Can't exactly tell her angle, but it looks like bullet trajectory would be fairly close to her husband Chris' ear....
 

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Many municipalities require permits to do this type of work.

bad solution to a genuine problem. Not the governments business to stick it's nose in. It's the same mentality that makes people say firearms permits are needed and the same mentality thats made the UK by an large ban guns. A mans home is his castle. If he refuses to take common sense measures to protect that then he's begging for a burglary in the same way a no gun sign is an open invitation to criminals
 

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bad solution to a genuine problem. Not the governments business to stick it's nose in.

I disagree - we live in Highland Park in Dallas - Jerry Jones, Trammel Crow, the Hunts, etc -a wealthy area that w/b overrun by folks selling things door to door. Our town of like minded citizens are thrilled the town protects our privacy. Cops will chase off anyone that solicits w/o permit. Permit requires those wanting to do so to abide by rules our 4 Town councilmen have put in place at insistence of residents. No HOA though....


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I disagree - we live in Highland Park in Dallas - Jerry jones, Trmmel Crow, the Hints, etc -a wealthy area that w/b overrun by folks selling things door to door. Our town of like minded citizens are thrilled the town protects our privacy. Cops will chase off anyone that solicits w/o permit. Permit requires those wanting to do so to abide by rules our 4 Town councilmen have put in place at insistence of residents. No HOA though....


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I'm surprised at this leftwing response not just on this forum but in the Alabama sub-forum. If a house wishes to prohibit them, thats fine. Thats private property. But to criminalise lawful citizens indiscriminately is basically the same as saying one should permit stop and search or accept firearms permits because if the few bad guys.
 

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When the peddler knocks on your door, and they are peddling w/o permit, you call the cops. Police response time is no more than 2-3 minutes. Get the heck out of our neighborhood - if we wanted something we'll call you.

Typically peddler types know to stay out of the town. Gypsies, house construction workers, and all sorts of 'non-neighbors' are encouraged to conduct their activities half-a-mile over in City of Dallas. More than happy for you to drive through town, enjoy our pretty parks, safe ones - but we all agree to no soliciting. If a group (of like-minded Town of HP residents) wants to encourage soliciting, come and talk to town council meeting. If not happy, run for town council. Currently town residents are working to restrict parking - we are 3 blocks away from SMU, so football games and high school playoffs park on our streets, marathons come by too. What's the saying - government is the best that is closest to the people - we're that process in action - nothing left wing about this at all.

Regarding the remark on AL forum, this is how we do it in Texas. Still like the Wyatt's handling matters in their part of AL, which appears t/b unincorporated part of the county - much looser rules of conduct than living within town limits.
 
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Photo on my way home today - if you don't live here, dont mind you driving through but keep on moving...
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Door-to-door sales permit here includes photo and thumbprint. Permit holder is supposed to turn in a report of streets worked within X hours/days.

It may not be much but it gives cops a chance to begin narrowing down and/or excluding possible suspects. I agree profiling door-to-door salespersons as possible burglars is evil, but what with so many of them turning out to be perpetrators it loses some of the negative aspects.

Italso gives the cops a "rogues gallery" for folks who are scammed to use trying to identify the scammer. Same comment as above.

stay safe.
 

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When the peddler knocks on your door, and they are peddling w/o permit, you call the cops. Police response time is no more than 2-3 minutes. Get the heck out of our neighborhood - if we wanted something we'll call you.

Typically peddler types know to stay out of the town. Gypsies, house construction workers, and all sorts of 'non-neighbors' are encouraged to conduct their activities half-a-mile over in City of Dallas. More than happy for you to drive through town, enjoy our pretty parks, safe ones - but we all agree to no soliciting.

you're all agreed that it's perfectly ok to criminalise people trying to earn an honest living. Would you rather they beg? Or maybe they should just give up and go on welfare. Certainly easier than trying to work for ones living

Door-to-door sales permit here includes photo and thumbprint. Permit holder is supposed to turn in a report of streets worked within X hours/days.

Welcome to the Peoples Republic of America
 

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Merchants in a brick and mortar locations are required to have licenses/permits - even the street vendor (hot dogs, flowers, etc)must be licensed. Yet there are those that wish to allow door-to-door solicitation w/o any control elements.

Goggle "door to door solicitation criminal activity" and read the mass of war stories to your hearts content. Do not play the straw man's card that I am trying to prevent anyone an honest days work. There is an extremely small return for the effort expended if one where to depend on the commission - hint, you could likely not buy a can of beans and a hot dog with it.

Give me your home address - I will direct these [strike]good[/strike] people there.

My home is my castle and the draw bridge is UP.
 

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LOL Here's my access road and the 'gate keeper' shack. You are not welcome either.

Very pretty looking - wonder if you'd be interested in some new siding? Or a snow blower? Got some half-price Lions tix at Lambeau field?


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The inconsistency in application of principle here is nauseating.

Likening arbitrary prohibitions on nonviolent, non-aggressive behaviors to building a gate on your own property and keeping it closed is absurd.
 

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Merchants in a brick and mortar locations are required to have licenses/permits - even the street vendor (hot dogs, flowers, etc)must be licensed. Yet there are those that wish to allow door-to-door solicitation w/o any control elements.

Goggle "door to door solicitation criminal activity" and read the mass of war stories to your hearts content. Do not play the straw man's card that I am trying to prevent anyone an honest days work. There is an extremely small return for the effort expended if one where to depend on the commission - hint, you could likely not buy a can of beans and a hot dog with it.


scrap permits for them to. You shouldn't need permission to earn an honest living

Some can earn plenty. I did very brief stints in the UK and never made it but I know people that did made a ton. Not only that but my own Dad supported the family selling Encyclopedia Britannica and Fuller Brush when I was barely out of diapers, so i'm told
 

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scrap permits for them to. You shouldn't need permission to earn an honest living

Some can earn plenty. I did very brief stints in the UK and never made it but I know people that did made a ton. Not only that but my own Dad supported the family selling Encyclopedia Britannica and Fuller Brush when I was barely out of diapers, so i'm told
Earning an "honest living" means following the law. We even have a rule for that here on OCDO.
 
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