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Please don't stoop so low as to make straw man arguments and put words in my mouth. We are talking about adults here, not 5 year olds.
You said you wanted no licensing requirements, yet now you want to make requirements based on age? It's sounding a lotmorelike you're changing your stance and a lot less like I'm putting words in your mouth.Let's use your logic: Since the rules you're talking about would not physically prevent ayoung childfrom driving, why have the rules at all?
Again with the straw man arguments. If I WANT to fly on an airplane operated by a drunk, crazy, homeless (how did that get into the argument?) person, then I should be able to. However, it would not be in my best interests to do so. In addition, if me and my drunk, crazy, homeless friend crashed our plane into a house we should most certainly be punished.
Right, but the problem is that with no requirements or laws the likelihood is increased andyou're not always going to know whether or not a driver is intoxicated.
If not having a license doesn't prevent me from driving, then why bother? If I'm going to get caught eventually, what exactly am I going to get caught doing? Something that endangers others, perhaps?
You just made my point. Having a license is no guarantee that I will not break the law, and if I do break the law I'll be punished whether or not I'm licensed. Driver's licenses are about control and revenue, nothing more.
Sure, but with no training you'll be endangering others a lot moreregularly. I've stated that the current training is insufficient. We need much more. You obviously have no respect for the complexities involved in vehicular operations.Depending upon the action, not having a license will result in much more severe punishment, so your simple answer isn't exactly true. Another thing is that just because a few idiots who are licensed do dangerous things doesn't mean we should just let anyone drive.
It is significantly more complex than"don't pull the trigger when you don't want the gun togo off and keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction." Driving is not a fundamental right like self protection is either.
As far as revenue,that must be why we have free* driver's ed in this country, and no drivers ed for anyone over 18. Other countries require $3000 worth of courses to be taken in order for anyoneto get a license.
*I am not so stupid asto not understand that we pay taxes, butso do the folks in those other countries.
So, you're saying it's okay that someone breaks the law and gets pulled over, just as long as they have a license?
A person should have to face the consequences of their actions if they harm another person or their property. Having a license does not change this fact one iota.
No, I'm not saying it's ok to break the law if you have a license. I'm not sure where I said or implied that.
By asserting that licenses prevent this sort of thing you are basically saying that someone who is licensed to fly a 737 (or drive a car) can't possibly become drunk, crazy, or homeless. Do you truly believe that to be the case? Sorry, but it just doesn't work that way.
I never said it prevents you, what I said is that if there are no laws or requirements then you cannot be punished for these actions. Hence there is no incentive to follow them, and there's no way to take you "off the streets" when you continuouslybreak them. Iactually said that it doesn't prevent you, but you conveniently ignored that statement.If you thinkpeople should be punished for their actionsthen you want laws, yet you claim youdon't want them.... Which is it?
You claim you don't want to allow children to drive, butat the same time you statethat alllaws and licensing requirementsdo nothing. Why would you want to make these laws/requirements then? It seems very hypocritical to me.
This is the slippery slope, and is the same logic that the anti-gunners use. Everyone should be held responsible for their actions, but we should not be in the business of prohibiting activities because they might, maybe, possibly, at some point in the future be a danger to someone else. You might go on a shooting rampage tomorrow. Therefore, you should not be allowed to have a gun. See how easy that is?
I get the feeling you're a terrible driver and lack an understanding of vehicular dynamics, otherwise I'd think you'd notice that many accidents would have been avoided if we required more intensive training.Btw, it's not a "might, maybe,possibly be a danger," it's an extreme danger to other drivers to haveuntrained drivers on the road. I havelived in countries with much more intensivetraining requirements, and I noticed a significant difference in theabilities of the average driver.
It is dangerous to be in a vehicle at all. Seatbelted or not. YOU make the choice to be in a car and YOU should make the choice of whether or not to wear a seatbelt. If you are worried about getting in a crash and having the people behind you crush you because they weren't belted in...don't ride with them!
Your attitude is the selfish one because you believe that you should have more control over my body and my actions than I should.
Can you read? I said if you're by yourself then OK. I love how you keep ignoring the fact that you're endangering your passengers when you become a projectile.
A car is dangerous, thus we should make it even more dangerous. Great logic.
See above. You have no right to enforce your views on me or my passengers.
YOUR passengers? It seems like you're the one enforcing views, seeing as you're endangering other people that you claim to somehow own (A little sarcasm never hurt). Especially when they're children who cannot argue with your stupid decisions to endanger them over nothing.
The fact is you keep dancing around the part where you become a projectile carcass that kills the passengers in your car because you don't care about your life. In rare instances seatbelts don't help, most times they do though. With the addition of airbags to vehicles, not wearing a seatbelt is even moredangerous. In low speed collisions that are just badenough to deploy the airbag, youwont be restrained before it deploys andan accidentyou might have walked away from may end up even killing you. Like I said in the other post though, I don't care if you kill yourself due to your own stupidity. It's the passengers, especially if you have children, that I'm concerned about. You risk their lives for nothing.
This is almost like carrying a loaded firearm pointed at yourpassengers heads all of the time and saying that because I don'tlike it,I just want to impose laws on you. Sure, it wont go off unless you pull the trigger, but under the right circumstances, that may actually happen. I am not for laws that protect you from yourself, because I don't care about you killing yourself.
This is why I own firearms, laws don't prevent actions. That doesn't mean I want unlicensed 5 year olds driving around, making things even more dangerous than they already are. Oh, and excuse me, but again, you DID say you wanted children driving.You said you don't want any licensing requirements. That means NONE. Now you're saying you want to only allow adults to drive. So now you want to raise the driving age above what it is already.
BY YOUR VERY OWN LOGIC there's nothing preventing kids from driving right now, so why would you suggestmaking such arule?You're being very hypocritical with this stuff you know.
I am for laws that attempt to protect others from you though. I agree you might injure or even kill one person, but you will pay for it and hopefully will be less likely to do it again or if what you do issevere enough, will be prevented from doing it again by being incarcerated. I already told you the laws don't physically prevent this from happening, but your reading comprehension is so poor you keep somehow missing that part.
I know a number of people who have been killed flying aircraft too. It's not a simple thing. I have encountered people flying illegally who have nearly killed me by landing with a tail-wind on the same runway I was landing properly on (ie- they were landing in the opposite direction that I was). These people get in trouble and can be incarcerated or fined so severely that they cannot afford to fly or drive anymore. That is what laws do, they do NOT prevent actions, they punish actions. I'm not an idiot, no matter how much you'd like to portray me as one.
