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Court rules: No Right to Resist Illegal Entry by Police

eye95

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...We are 1 minute to midnight with midnight being the second Civil War...

We are nowhere near a civil war, unless a tiny minority decides to try to wage one. You will find me on the other side shooting at those of you who try to take down what can be improved but what remains the government that allows the freest life on the face of the planet.

If you take down this government, I guarantee you that what replaces it will be far more oppressive.
 

ixtow

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Please tell me this outrageous dementia is being appealed to a higher court?

How can this possibly coexist with the 4th Amendment? Where did these judges come from?
 

Washintonian_For_Liberty

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We are nowhere near a civil war, unless a tiny minority decides to try to wage one. You will find me on the other side shooting at those of you who try to take down what can be improved but what remains the government that allows the freest life on the face of the planet.

If you take down this government, I guarantee you that what replaces it will be far more oppressive.

It took roughly three percent last time... you'll fall early in the war... and it won't be us that take you down... it'll likely be brigands or gangs vying for power.... what's coming won't be like the last civil war... it won't be between armies in uniforms... it will be massive... bloody and it will start because of hunger most likely.

What people like me want is fidelity to our Constitutional Republic... not fidelity to this sham they incorrectly call a Republic. We haven't been a Republic now for nearly a century.

Contrary to the usurper progressive's propaganda; democracy ≠ republic.
 

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Please tell me this outrageous dementia is being appealed to a higher court?

How can this possibly coexist with the 4th Amendment? Where did these judges come from?


Don't count on SCOTUS being anymore sympathetic. They just delivered this ruling yesterday.


http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-1272.pdf


The story as reported on the news was that the police were chasing a suspected drug dealer and lost sight of him. During their search for him they smelled the odor of marijuana and knocked on the door. They claim they heard sounds consistent with destroying evidence(whatever those are) and kicked the door in. They found a completely different set of people and drugs.

SCOTUS refused to invalidate the evidence(which a lower court had) and held that the police had exigent circumstance.
 
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John Pierce

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We are nowhere near a civil war. And if there were such an event, we would never return to the freedoms that we have today.

Ultimately, the cure for a bad court decision is for that decision to be overturned. The courts are open every day. In briefs, well thought out cases, and subsequent rulings is where the real battles for liberty will take place.


John

You know the worst thing about this ruling is that if it stands... it is going to come to every other State in the Union by petition or edict.

We are 1 minute to midnight with midnight being the second Civil War. And actually, since a civil war is a battle for power over the central government. And, since the first war between the States was not a battle for the central government, but to prevent separation.... the war that is coming to this nation will be the first true civil war.

The authoritarians are winning the legal arguments because they continually change the rules, or build every argument they have from precedent and Stare Decisis and not based on the Constitution.
 

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Don't count on SCOTUS being anymore sympathetic. They just delivered this ruling yesterday.


http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-1272.pdf


The story as reported on the news was that the police were chasing a suspected drug dealer and lost sight of him. During their search for him they smelled the odor of marijuana and knocked on the door. They claim they heard sounds consistent with destroying evidence(whatever those are) and kicked the door in. They found a completely different set of people and drugs.

SCOTUS refused to invalidate the evidence(which a lower court had) and held that the police had exigent circumstance.
‘the exigencies of the
situation’ make the needs of law enforcement so compelling that [a]
warrantless search is objectively reasonable under the Fourth
Amendment,” reversed and remanded.

The lower court will reconsider, and may find--still, the exigent circumstances do not meet the narrow decision of the SCOTUS and find the same decision. With correct wording, their decision may still stand. While I disagree vehemently with this decision, it is not far out of line with others. And, most importantly, does not fundamentally change the understanding of the 4th Amendment. Time will tell. But it is a slippery slope now broadened for "police powers."
 
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Washintonian_For_Liberty

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We are nowhere near a civil war. And if there were such an event, we would never return to the freedoms that we have today.

Ultimately, the cure for a bad court decision is for that decision to be overturned. The courts are open every day. In briefs, well thought out cases, and subsequent rulings is where the real battles for liberty will take place.


John

With every ruling we win, we lose three or four others and liberty dies even more. The 4th Amendment for all intent and purposes is dead. The first amendment is no longer a right, but a privilege to be applied for to your local, State and Federal governments (you need a permit to protest, to start a church, to run a newspaper, to speak on a street corner). The 2nd Amendment has been under assault for quite sometime, and in spite of recent rulings, the overall firearm freedoms are maintaining some quasi equilibrium between total bans and some heavy level of regulations in spite of the totally obvious violation of the Constitution.

Our economic freedoms are worse. I don't know about you, but my tax burden, when figured for all levels of taxation is closing in on 60%. This means, from January 1 to August 6 or 7, I am an indentured servant. My labor belongs to the government... yet indentured servitude was supposedly outlawed by the 13th Amendment. Our rights under the 9th and 10th Amendments are also routinely ignored and our general ignorance of this fact is openly exploited. The courts haven't been operating Constitutionally since probably the late 1920s early 1930s which means that your whole idea of resolving these issues in the courts is invalid since they rarely if ever base their decisions on the Constitution but rather rely on precedent and Stare Decisis.

As I said previously... civil war will not happen by some army attacking a modern Fort Sumter, no, it will happen slowly and disastrously because the American people are ignorant of Liberty and of the Republic that was created as a framework to protect it. What has been happening is that our government is out of control. They refuse to spend wisely and continue to bribe their constituents with grab bag type entitlements which is going to drive us to having a debt to GDP ratio of over 1 to 1 (e.g. a debt greater than 100% of GDP). There are already talks of leaving the US dollar as reserve currency and Russia and China are already doing business together in local currencies. The ONLY reason our dollar still has anywhere close to a reasonable value is because it is still being used as the reserve currency for many countries AND is used exclusively by OPEC for oil transactions. OPEC is discussing switching to the Euro, and many countries are purchasing large volumes of gold for their eventual switch to gold as a reserve rather than US dollars. All these events have been playing out now for nearly a decade... and we're nearing the tipping point. The IMF has a date now for when the Chinese economy surpasses the US economy... and between now and then is when countries, central banks and OPEC will retreat from US dollar reserves.

When that retreat happens (within a few short years), hyperinflation will hit this country. A gallon of gas will cost 25 dollars rather than 5, a gallon of milk 30 dollars.... a loaf of bread 10 to 20 dollars and one can of frozen orange juice will cost nearly 15 dollars. This will be in just the first year of real hyper inflation. Our treasury department and the Fed's projections of inflation are all based on the US dollar remaining the reserve currency of the world... it will not.

We have nearly 44 million people in America on food stamps or food assistance. What happens when their allotment of money does not change enough to offset the inflation? What happens when what used to buy a months worth of food now only buys a weeks worth? This will come to a supermarket near you sooner than you think. We've been shipping our inflation overseas now for years. In Egypt, food used to take 40% of the average workers salary. Now it takes nearly 80%. It is the same in most poor countries. It is a major reason for unrest in the Middle East.

Now, unlike people like Alex Jones, I don't believe this is a conspiracy to control the world... I just think it is really bad judgment, a whole lot of hubris mixed in with arrogance and ignorance... a dangerous combination and one that will prove to be quite deadly in the US.
 

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If that is your assessment, then start your own site.

The owners of this site have been pretty clear about the boundaries of the advocacy at this site--as is their right. If you don't like those boundaries, get yer own soapbox.
 

TFred

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For what its worth...

On O'Reilly's "Is It Legal" section tonight, all three (O'Reilly, and the two analysts) agreed this was an incorrect ruling and that it should be taken up by the SCOTUS.

TFred
 

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talk of a pending civil war seems ridiculous. Especially since it has already started, just incrementally. It's now been ramped up with the approval of the courts is all. exonerating police for what would otherwise be homicide will be the norm now as other liberty minded folks say 'hell no, not without a warrant'. That so few people understand this spells doom for our country. People like eye95, who would willingly side with tyranny, simply because it seems better than what MIGHT come after.
 

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talk of a pending civil war seems ridiculous. Especially since it has already started, just incrementally. It's now been ramped up with the approval of the courts is all. exonerating police for what would otherwise be homicide will be the norm now as other liberty minded folks say 'hell no, not without a warrant'. That so few people understand this spells doom for our country. People like eye95, who would willingly side with tyranny, simply because it seems better than what MIGHT come after.

Assuming the Eye95 would "willingly side with tyranny (presumptuous?)" (not a chance from the posts I have read(e)), you would rather fight against what you perceive of tyranny for the sake of what MIGHT come after? Why do you think what MIGHT follow will be 'better' than the "tyranny" you fought to rid America of? I am interested in what you think will follow taking your 'Freedom' back from tyranny.
 
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DKSuddeth

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Assuming the Eye95 would "willingly side with tyranny (presumptuous?)" (not a chance from the posts I have read(e)), you would rather fight against what you perceive of tyranny for the sake of what MIGHT come after?
Because he said as much up above. let me quote him.
eye95 said:
We are nowhere near a civil war, unless a tiny minority decides to try to wage one. You will find me on the other side shooting at those of you who try to take down what can be improved but what remains the government that allows the freest life on the face of the planet.

Why do you think what MIGHT follow will be 'better' than the "tyranny" you fought to rid America of? I am interested in what you think will follow taking your 'Freedom' back from tyranny.
IF there is a civil war, it won't be to replace the government, but to restore it.

"The people of the United States are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." Abraham Lincoln
 
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Because he said as much up above. let me quote him.



IF there is a civil war, it won't be to replace the government, but to restore it.

"The people of the United States are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." Abraham Lincoln

Abraham Lincoln is right. Now the question is, are there 'men' who are perverting the Constitution? And if so, what was Abraham Lincoln referring to when he stated "overthrow?"

I will argue that Lincoln could have been referring to a number of means, one of which is exercising the 'vote'.

There are many people that believe that the Federal Government is tyrannical. "Tyrannical" is a pretty strong word.
 
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eye95

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To the poster who lied about what I said:

I said no such thing. I have, however, pointed out to the staff the lie that was told about me.

Don't make up what I say--or add your own meaning to it for your own purposes. Quote it directly. That would be honest debate. What you did was LIE.

Moving on.
 

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This is so wrong... How in the heck does something like this happen in our country... We are on a slippery slide into absolutely losing every right that our Creator endowed us with and "we the people" are letting this happen... I'll tell you what -- ANYONE barges into my home, without my permission better smile and wait for the flash - cause it is coming their way....
 

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As long as we can vote, tyranny is kept a bay. When I can no longer vote then I will take up arms to defend the Constitution.....and you can take that to the bank.

I used to believe that this is true... I no longer do... There are too many that are willing to abdicate their rights to others, in exchange for have someone else take responsibility for them... Our rights will be LONG GONE before your right to vote is...
 
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