Cops called on me at Boise Public Library!

[Guest]

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Man, I sure wish some of you guys were on this side of the state. I havent the knowledge or b@lls to try blatant OC at the I.F. library,....yet. But itd be nice to have someone that could have my back when I do.

Ah well, at least Im not the Solo- E. Idaho member anymore.

Kudo's again Saint.

 

[chrsjhnsn]

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what a great thread!
I got the boot from Reno public library, I went in off duty in my security guard
uniform ( armed )
I think even ccw is illegal in NV libraries, of course registered sex offenders are able to
use the library all day

 

[Ian]

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What an awesome encounter! And what a bonus that the police department understood that they were in the wrong and that they would educate fellow officers.

Stories like this really help people new to OC feel more comfortable.

Hats off to you in how you handled the situation.

 

[rpyne]

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If SB1024 passes the outcome of this will be different. SB1024 authorizes local entities to ban weapons in public meetings and public libraries.

 

[Vandal]

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rpyne wrote:

If SB1024 passes the outcome of this will be different. SB1024 authorizes local entities to ban weapons in public meetings and public libraries.

Go back to page 7 and see what my state Senator told me. S1024 was sent off to die.

 

[rpyne]

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I admit I do not most of the Idaho legislators and am not completely up to speed on the process there, but it appears to be similar to Utah.

Even though you have been assured that the bill will die, it is important to watch it closely because such things have a way of being resurrected at the end of the session and passing without any warning.

 

[Idaho Born]

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Patriot -

Just some statistics for you.

In Idaho's history 55 Police Officers have died in the line of duty. 33 were killed by gunfire, and 4 were killed in car accidents.

In 2008 the United States lost 135 Officers in duty related incidents -

- 2 were killed in explosions.

- 2 were stabbed.

- 37 were shot.

- 11 were killed by vehicular assault.

- 39 died in auto accidents.

I think you would find that most Officers are on your side, and agree with what you do. You seem to have an 'US versus THEM' mentality. Just an observation.

 

[smoking357]

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Saint wrote:

All in all I consider this a very positive encounter. The LEO's were proffesional and interested in making sure they had the correct law. They were friendly, personable, and generally supported the rights of citizens to carry. And they were quick to acknowledge that they were in the wrong and were thankful for the legal educational experience. Hopefully this will not be a probblem anymore in the city of Boise now that BPD is going to be issuing a training bulletin and will be informing the department of the correct laws.

MOLON LABE!!!

~The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"~ -- George Washington

In Florida, you'd have been killed.

You're my hero.

 

[IdahoCorsair]

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Idaho Born wrote:

Patriot -

Just some statistics for you.

statistics were here, Idaho edited for brevity.

I think you would find that most Officers are on your side, and agree with what you do. You seem to have an 'US versus THEM' mentality. Just an observation.

I get the statistics. So we should ban cars and not guns, right?

The sad truth is MOST (over 50%) of LEOs are the types that don't give a damn about rights, citizens lives, or the truth. I know a number personally and train many from various states. They're a bunch of worthless rejects who couldn't get a job elsewhere and have an axe to grind. Most are corrupt... just not in the bribe sense... but in the sense where they will tell you not to do things that they know to be legal, they lie and manipulate you into confessing what you didn't do (just look at what you're taught to get people to say in POST), they bully and try to intimidate you into not doing things they don't like rather than upholding the LAW, they delete audio that damns them, they do not not care about violating people's rights (mostly cause they don't know what they are, but when they do, they usually don't care) and overall have an ego/control complex.

That said there are many fine LEOs in this state and across the country. That many in my book translates into significantly under 10%. Half are maybe just there for a job. And the rest (30% or so) are class one A-holes who enjoy violating people's right behind the cloak of a badge.

The "Us v. them" mentality originated with the LE side of thing IMHO. Did you see the recent Idaho POST graduation slogan that was printed on their graduating program? "Don't suffer from PTSD, go out and cause it!" Kinda sums it up doesn't it?
Makes me wonder with your two posts why you singled this one (Patriot's post) out among all the rest? Hm. Do I smell a badge?

But what do I know, I've just trained feds and state cops and military and local PD guys for several years now.

 

[Idaho Born]

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Idaho Corsair -

Yes, I am a cop - wasn't trying to hide it...

I joined this site because I support your cause...and do not think either guns, nor cars need to be 'banned.' Most of the officers I know all agree that more people need to own and carry firearms...crime would signifigantly drop.

I was simply here to learn more about it, and offer an opinion from someone who may get dispatched to a call regarding you, because a citizen called 911 when they don't understand, or don't like the open carry concept. As you probably know, a lot of citzens out there believe it is illegal to carry a firearm in the open.

You speak about training officers, but your opinion of them is so low. Why do the training then? Seems counter productive to go to a training class when everyone you are about to instruct is so 'worthless'

Regarding the Idaho POST slogan. It was stupid, and showed very poor management from those at POST. It wasn't indicative of a certain person, and (obviously) these were brand new officers, many of whom probably will never complete training to actually work the streets. POST is simply poor managed academy that officers in IdahoHAVE to go through, because POST won't let the bigger agencies form their own academies (then how would they justify the existence of POST?). I gained little from POST, and most of what I learned was through the second academy my agency provides, and the field training.

 

[BB62]

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Idaho Born wrote:

Idaho Corsair -

Yes, I am a cop - wasn't trying to hide it...

Welcome to OCDO!!

Having seen a few LEOs recently take their ball and go home, whatever you do, don't get unduly worked up by those here ("here" being the board, not this thread) who lack nuance or who may beinarticulate on the subject of LEOs.

P.S. - A good way to see subjects across the US is to click on the main discussion forum, then click "Recent".

Again, welcome.

 

[Tekman]

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Vandal wrote

Go back to page 7 and see what my state Senator told me. S1024 was sent off to die.

Good for Idaho!

 

[Statesman]

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Absolutely amazing! Great work on your part for sticking with your understanding of state law.

Reading through the beginning of the encounter, I was sort of expecting a throw down and maybe a taze or two, then a pending lawsuit. Boise PD is to be commended for their professional behavior, and support of a citizens right to carry. I think they were doing their due diligence NOT to violate your rights.

+1

 

[IDEagleEye]

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OK - I have read all 8 pages of this post with great interest, looking for one item I think is very relevant - and I don't see it.

I work in downtown Boise, cc frequently (with permit of course), but haven't oc'd in a long time. I am very interested in the part about being able to carry in public buildings except the ones outlined in the cc law such as K-12 schools, secure areas of jails, etc. I don't know how many of you have seen this (if anyone), but there is an executive order signed by then-governor Phil Batt back in 1996 declaring the Capital Mall Area a weapons-free zone


[align=left]EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 96-03[/align]
ESTABLISH THE CAPITOL MALL AREA AS A WEAPON FREE ZONE

You can see it here: [url]http://adm.idaho.gov/adminrules/bulletin/bul/96bul/apr96.pdf[/url]


[align=left]"Capitol Mall Area" means: the Statehouse, Joe R. Williams Building (700 West State Street); Len B. Jordan Building (650 West State Street); State Parking Garage (550 West State Street) and the Towers Building (450 West State Street), including all underground tunnels which provide a walkway between these buildings[/align]I assume the new pre-emption law you are talking about would affect this, but haven't seen anything on it.