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was he a lefty? the "news" hasnt really said i thought. They did say he was very "political" though. I suppose youre right. If he had been a righty, they wouldve said that. I am very amused by the police saying the teacher is a hero for fleeing the school. Id say he is a smart guy to run from someone with a shotty but hero? im not sure. Apparently the teacher had bullied and picked on this kid in debate class a lot. Unforunate situation all around. thankfully no one was killed. I havent heard any updates about the victim except she is in a coma. certainly wish her a complete recovery.
One of the better-known politically-oriented websites (I'm old, and can't recall exactly which one - I have many that I follow), stated that the shooter was a serious lefty and an Obummer worshiper - I wonder if Feckless Leader would say, "If I had a son, he'd run just like the teacher."

Regarding the victim, the last I heard she was in "grave condition" which pretty-much says it all. We can hope, and pray and send "positive energy" to her, but she was shot in the head with a 12ga at point-blank range (which, to me, means 15' or less). I hope somebody with really GOOD CONNECTIONS, prays up a miracle for her... I don't think anything less will save her. Pax... :(
 

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I don't know of anyone who shares my belief, and most conspiray theories have a following of some kind. My theory has a following of none. Given a population of roughly 308M people, the odds are that there would be at least a handful that would agree with me - IF they knew my thoughts on the proliferation of mass shootings.

Gil223, I for one am most definitely with you. And I believe that there are many who have awoken to these false flag mass shooting events. And unfortunately there will be many more such Manchurian candidate shootings.

The shadow government is using the problem-reaction-solution formula: they create a problem, which produces a reaction among the public, with a demand for the Government to do something about it, and the shadow government present the solution to the problem they themselves created in the first place - all in line with the movement towards a totalitarian state where our freedoms are taken away, bit by bit and piece by piece.

If we take a close look at it, the only possible explanation for this many questionable school shootings is the above problem-reaction-solution sequence. The globalists want to disarm the population and take away are rights to carry weapons. The only way to do so is to make us afraid and terrified of weapons. They have to convince us that weapons are dangerous, and we can’t trust anyone who has a gun in his/her possession.

With a lot of help from mass media (which they control) they first create a perfect Manchurian candidate to execute some horrible murders; the more the better.
Further, it has been showed in different reports and research that all of those insane killers had CIA or Intelligence connections, and most of them were on psychotropic drugs, like Prozac and others. Knowing the Illuminati and how they operate, and their ability to alter peoples’ minds, it is easy to make the connection.
 

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Gil223, I for one am most definitely with you. And I believe that there are many who have awoken to these false flag mass shooting events. And unfortunately there will be many more such Manchurian candidate shootings.

The shadow government is using the problem-reaction-solution formula: they create a problem, which produces a reaction among the public, with a demand for the Government to do something about it, and the shadow government present the solution to the problem they themselves created in the first place - all in line with the movement towards a totalitarian state where our freedoms are taken away, bit by bit and piece by piece.

If we take a close look at it, the only possible explanation for this many questionable school shootings is the above problem-reaction-solution sequence. The globalists want to disarm the population and take away are rights to carry weapons. The only way to do so is to make us afraid and terrified of weapons. They have to convince us that weapons are dangerous, and we can’t trust anyone who has a gun in his/her possession.

With a lot of help from mass media (which they control) they first create a perfect Manchurian candidate to execute some horrible murders; the more the better.
Further, it has been showed in different reports and research that all of those insane killers had CIA or Intelligence connections, and most of them were on psychotropic drugs, like Prozac and others. Knowing the Illuminati and how they operate, and their ability to alter peoples’ minds, it is easy to make the connection.
What "questionable shoot shootings"?

Cite please re all killers.
 

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YIKES ! I'm a "lefty" that's starting to feel paranoid even though I'm in my "right mind". Being a lefty open carrier, sure hope I'm not singled out as a potential mass murderer. Crap ! my Stag is a lefty model as well. Merry Christmas Walking Wolf. Don't think were too far from one another.
 

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What "questionable shoot shootings"? Cite please re all killers.

Grapeshot, why don't you research it for yourself?

Startpage (instead of Google) something like "Sandy Hook black ops"
or "Sandy Hook false flag"
or "Aurora shooting false flag"
or "batman shooter Manchurian candidate"
or "navy yard shooter CIA mind control"
or "Columbine school shooting inside job"
or "Gifford's assassination MKULTRA"
or "school shootings staged by government"
or "Boston bombing fake"
or "Boston bombing hoax"
or "Arapahoe school shooting conspiracy theory"
or "the truth about the Columbine massacre: a black op"
or whatever.

If you study the topic enough any reasonable intelligent unbiased person would have to come to the conclusion that most of the school shootings were CIA false flag events. The evidence is overwhelming.

For example, dozens of witnesses saw multiple shooters at the Columbine school shooting. All of these corroborated accounts cannot be dismissed as 'fog of war' confusion. There's just too many. Some of the reports report men with black masks, jumpsuits, and berets. One girl reported that she saw 3 people outside the parking lot with guns a few hours before the shooting, and she thought they were role playing. Many nearby homeowners saw gunmen on the roof before the shooting and called it in to 911. And ad nauseam..... You'll find many similar discrepancies that counter the official stories about almost every shooting. Granted, much of what you see on the internet is hyped, fake, or put out by government disinformation specialists, but much of it is real, documented, verifiable information.
 

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Originally Posted by Grapeshot

What "questionable shoot shootings"? Cite please re all killers.
Grapeshot, why don't you research it for yourself?

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Because that is not the standard protocol on OCDO and from where I sit, I have a responsibility to the forum. When someone makes a claim, they are the one called upon to support it and not with unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.

You imply that I am not reasonably knowledgeable on those shootings. My reply was to why they are "questionable' (they did occur) and asked for a cite as to all of those insane killers had CIA or Intelligence connections.

I admit to having little patience with this kind of thinking.
 

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Because that is not the standard protocol on OCDO and from where I sit, I have a responsibility to the forum. When someone makes a claim, they are the one called upon to support it and not with unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.

You imply that I am not reasonably knowledgeable on those shootings. My reply was to why they are "questionable' (they did occur) and asked for a cite as to all of those insane killers had CIA or Intelligence connections.

I admit to having little patience with this kind of thinking.

Grapshot,

I didn’t call you unintelligent, nor did I imply such in a veiled way. Why read something into my writing that isn’t there? What I did was give you an intellectual challenge – to research the many questions surrounding the many mass shooting we have seen in the country since Columbine.

My statement that “If you study the topic enough any reasonable intelligent unbiased person would have to come to the conclusion that most of the school shootings were CIA false flag events” wasn’t directed specifically at you. It was a general opinion that “any” intelligent and reasonable person who looks at the topic, and does so in an unbiased manner, would have to come to the proper conclusion about the truth of what is happening.

And what I believe is happening is that the Columbine school shooting, the Gabrielle Gifford’s attempted assassination, the Aurora movie theater shooting rampage, the Sandy Hook Elementary school massacre, the recent Navy Base shooting, The Boston bombing, and others were all false flag Manchurian candidate events, all staged by the shadow government and CIA (using mind control and psychotropic drugs) in order to bring about more oppressive gun control legislation that centers around mental illness. And further that that they will stage more of these tragedies, especially school shootings, to further their evil agenda. Once the new "mental health" legislation is on the table and being discussed, the American sheeple AND THE AMERICAN POLICE will FULLY SUPPORT the new law – otherwise it will look like they are in favor of school children being gunned down.

Grapeshot, I wrote an extensive set of postings (that isn’t a copy and paste job) on the Montana forum titled, “Montana Sheriffs & Peace Officers Association’s website.”

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...s-Association-s-website&p=2017393#post2017393

WILL YOU PLEASE GO TO THE THREAD AND READ IT IN ITS ENTIRITY AND THEN GIVE US YOUR COMMENTS ???

I spent an inordinate amount of time and research to write what I did. I did so because I’m gravely concerned about what I perceive top the #1 threat to our 2A rights. I’ve thoroughly explained my position.

I didn’t cite anything as you asked me to because I knew that no matter what I wrote you’d likely call it nonsensical conspiracy crap.

Well, I have little patience with that kind of thinking.

I am assuming that most of you already know about the CIA's MKULTRA program, so I will not waste any time explaining what it is. If you do not know about it, please take some time to do a little research, and it is not difficult to find information on this subject. This isn’t wolf wolf or science fiction, the CIA has openly admitted that they had a super-secret program called “Project MKULTRA” that was focused on brainwashing people so they could become the ideal assassin. Lesser know are the predecessors to MKULTRA, Project Bluebird and Project Artichoke.

You want names. Okay, I’ll come right out and name a few of these CIA assassins.

Sirhan Sirhan, the guy who supposedly shot Robert F. Kennedy in 1968, was a MKULTRA robot.

Another likely mind-control assassin was Mark David Chapman, John Lennon’s assassin.

Another notable figure who was a subject in the MKULTRA experiments was the “Unabomber,” Ted Kaczynski.

The Jim Jones “Jonestown” mass suicide in Guyana is rumored to be a test site for the program.

The terrible tragedy in Colorado at the Batman shooting reeks of an MKULTRA-style brainwash.

Nidal Hassan, the Fort Hood shooter most certainly wasn’t playing with a full deck. That mass shooting has MKULTRA written all over it.

Perhaps most obvious of all of these CIA assassins, and most pertinent to the topic of mass shootings, is Jared Lee Loughner.

http://www.infowars.com/arizona-assassin-obsessed-with-mind-control/

Adam Lanza, the supposed shooter at Sandy Hook, and Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, of the Columbine High School shooting fame, I’m not so sure about.

I personally don’t believe that any of these kids did the shootings, but instead the killings were carried out by real CIA assassins themselves. There is credible evidence that Lanza died the day before the Sandy Hook shooting and it is very hard to believe he had the fortitude to kill that many young children. But a hardened and highly trained CIA killer would.

The official story is that Adam Lanza shot his mother 4 times in the head with a 22-caliber rifle while she was sleeping, but then he used two different handguns to shoot the 20 kids and 6 teachers. Why didn’t he use one of the pistols on his mother instead of a rifle? This seems highly unlikely to me as multiple rounds to the head with a suppressed .22 handgun is a hallmark signature of a CIA hit. Using subsonic ammo in a silenced gun it is unlikely that the shots could be heard in an adjoining room, let alone outside in the street of in a neighbor's house. The killing of Nancy Lanza was, in my opinion, an obvious CIA assassination.

Most people, including most gun owners, are not interested in reality. Americans have become a people who, for the most part, are fat, dumb, lazy, willfully ignorant, naïve, mambi-pambi polly-annas with a tell me good news or say nothing, meanwhile I’ll have another beer dude, attitude.

Many people are willfully ignorant about the truth behind these mass shootings. They don’t want to know. I hope that isn’t a description of you.

Patrick Henry, one of America’s most revered founding fathers, warned us about willful ignorance in his famous “Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death” speech way back in 1775.

“It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.”

Yes, knowing the “painful truth” does “cost” great “anguish of spirit,” but it is far better “to know the whole truth; to know the worst” than to be ignorant of it, and to “provide (prepare) for it.” The information that you’d find on the internet if you were to do searches for the key phrases that I suggested is a very painful truth that would likely dramatically change the world view of many gun owners, and perhaps that of you as well.

I suspect that you are already highly aware of the so-called conspiracy theories but don’t want to openly support them on this forum because of your standing as head moderator. You did, after all, say “I have a responsibility to the forum.”

And please don’t roll over on you back and piss all over your tummy like a scared puppy dog, whining that I’m calling you ignorant or naïve, etc. My comments both above and below are directed at “most people” in general, and most definitely not at you.

The truth is that I do respect your intelligence, and I also appreciate all the time and hard work you invest into this forum. Open carry rights is something that I’m very passionate about. And I’m also very passionate about our firearm rights in general.

Few Americans and few gun owners can understand the magnitude of the ramifications of the “mental health” gun legislation that is likely to be enacted because of these school shootings. According to the Gun Owners of America, “Tens of millions of Americans,” might lose their 2A rights because of the “mental health” legislation that is coming as a result. Do you know why these people hold such myopic views? Because they get their news exclusively from the mainstream media, and not from researching the topics on the internet.

Granted much of the information on the net is hyped, fake, and many of the proponents of these theories are delusional. But on the other hand, there are many highly credible people with verifiable information that is extremely difficult to take a careful look at and not realize that something very bad actually happened, and that the official stories are full of holes that don’t make sense.

There have been many very intelligent people from all sectors of society - from government to finance, to science, to religion, to the military, etc. - that have written much about what is happening and about to go down. They have put their knowledge in published books, not just on the net. Some of what you read is foolish conspiracy theories but much of it is sound, verifiable information.

If you or anyone else wants to bury their head in the sand, they’ll be doing so at their own peril. Keeping yourself ignorant will not stop the New World Order globalists from destroying our gun rights. No amount of cognitive dissonance, normalcy bias, and general apathy can protect even the most unaware of Americans as to what lies in their immediate future.

I’ve learned that there is no guaranteed way to wake up the sleeping masses; no set formula. All one can do is put the information in front of someone in a non-threatening way and they will make of it what they will. It depends on the person and the person providing them the information, along with the nature of how it is delivered.

Often times people won’t wake up right away, but eventually if they are exposed to the info over and over again, almost everyone will finally wake up. I’ll admit that there will always be a few people who are sleepwalkers and will remain in the deepest stages of sleep no matter what they are told or shown. Some will steadfastly refuse to accept the truth behind these mass shootings and will remain willfully ignorant to the painful end.

We can’t choose your own reality. Reality isn’t multiple choice. We can only choose our own destiny. Our fate will largely depend on how well informed we are. It is time to be pro-active about this issue of mental health gun legislation.

Again, Grapshot, will you please go to the thread I started called, “Montana Sheriffs & Peace Officers Association’s website,” read it and give us your thoughtful comments?
 

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Grapshot,

I didn’t call you unintelligent, nor did I imply such in a veiled way. Why read something into my writing that isn’t there? What I did was give you an intellectual challenge – to research the many questions surrounding the many mass shooting we have seen in the country since Columbine.

My statement that “If you study the topic enough any reasonable intelligent unbiased person would have to come to the conclusion that most of the school shootings were CIA false flag events” wasn’t directed specifically at you. It was a general opinion that “any” intelligent and reasonable person who looks at the topic, and does so in an unbiased manner, would have to come to the proper conclusion about the truth of what is happening.

And what I believe is happening is that the Columbine school shooting, the Gabrielle Gifford’s attempted assassination, the Aurora movie theater shooting rampage, the Sandy Hook Elementary school massacre, the recent Navy Base shooting, The Boston bombing, and others were all false flag Manchurian candidate events, all staged by the shadow government and CIA (using mind control and psychotropic drugs) in order to bring about more oppressive gun control legislation that centers around mental illness. And further that that they will stage more of these tragedies, especially school shootings, to further their evil agenda. Once the new "mental health" legislation is on the table and being discussed, the American sheeple AND THE AMERICAN POLICE will FULLY SUPPORT the new law – otherwise it will look like they are in favor of school children being gunned down.

Grapeshot, I wrote an extensive set of postings (that isn’t a copy and paste job) on the Montana forum titled, “Montana Sheriffs & Peace Officers Association’s website.”

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/s...s-Association-s-website&p=2017393#post2017393

WILL YOU PLEASE GO TO THE THREAD AND READ IT IN ITS ENTIRITY AND THEN GIVE US YOUR COMMENTS ???

I spent an inordinate amount of time and research to write what I did. I did so because I’m gravely concerned about what I perceive top the #1 threat to our 2A rights. I’ve thoroughly explained my position.

I didn’t cite anything as you asked me to because I knew that no matter what I wrote you’d likely call it nonsensical conspiracy crap.

Well, I have little patience with that kind of thinking.

I am assuming that most of you already know about the CIA's MKULTRA program, so I will not waste any time explaining what it is. If you do not know about it, please take some time to do a little research, and it is not difficult to find information on this subject. This isn’t wolf wolf or science fiction, the CIA has openly admitted that they had a super-secret program called “Project MKULTRA” that was focused on brainwashing people so they could become the ideal assassin. Lesser know are the predecessors to MKULTRA, Project Bluebird and Project Artichoke.

You want names. Okay, I’ll come right out and name a few of these CIA assassins.

Sirhan Sirhan, the guy who supposedly shot Robert F. Kennedy in 1968, was a MKULTRA robot.

Another likely mind-control assassin was Mark David Chapman, John Lennon’s assassin.

Another notable figure who was a subject in the MKULTRA experiments was the “Unabomber,” Ted Kaczynski.

The Jim Jones “Jonestown” mass suicide in Guyana is rumored to be a test site for the program.

The terrible tragedy in Colorado at the Batman shooting reeks of an MKULTRA-style brainwash.

Nidal Hassan, the Fort Hood shooter most certainly wasn’t playing with a full deck. That mass shooting has MKULTRA written all over it.

Perhaps most obvious of all of these CIA assassins, and most pertinent to the topic of mass shootings, is Jared Lee Loughner.

http://www.infowars.com/arizona-assassin-obsessed-with-mind-control/

Adam Lanza, the supposed shooter at Sandy Hook, and Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, of the Columbine High School shooting fame, I’m not so sure about.

I personally don’t believe that any of these kids did the shootings, but instead the killings were carried out by real CIA assassins themselves. There is credible evidence that Lanza died the day before the Sandy Hook shooting and it is very hard to believe he had the fortitude to kill that many young children. But a hardened and highly trained CIA killer would.

The official story is that Adam Lanza shot his mother 4 times in the head with a 22-caliber rifle while she was sleeping, but then he used two different handguns to shoot the 20 kids and 6 teachers. Why didn’t he use one of the pistols on his mother instead of a rifle? This seems highly unlikely to me as multiple rounds to the head with a suppressed .22 handgun is a hallmark signature of a CIA hit. Using subsonic ammo in a silenced gun it is unlikely that the shots could be heard in an adjoining room, let alone outside in the street of in a neighbor's house. The killing of Nancy Lanza was, in my opinion, an obvious CIA assassination.

Most people, including most gun owners, are not interested in reality. Americans have become a people who, for the most part, are fat, dumb, lazy, willfully ignorant, naïve, mambi-pambi polly-annas with a tell me good news or say nothing, meanwhile I’ll have another beer dude, attitude.

Many people are willfully ignorant about the truth behind these mass shootings. They don’t want to know. I hope that isn’t a description of you.

Patrick Henry, one of America’s most revered founding fathers, warned us about willful ignorance in his famous “Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death” speech way back in 1775.

“It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.”

Yes, knowing the “painful truth” does “cost” great “anguish of spirit,” but it is far better “to know the whole truth; to know the worst” than to be ignorant of it, and to “provide (prepare) for it.” The information that you’d find on the internet if you were to do searches for the key phrases that I suggested is a very painful truth that would likely dramatically change the world view of many gun owners, and perhaps that of you as well.

I suspect that you are already highly aware of the so-called conspiracy theories but don’t want to openly support them on this forum because of your standing as head moderator. You did, after all, say “I have a responsibility to the forum.”

And please don’t roll over on you back and piss all over your tummy like a scared puppy dog, whining that I’m calling you ignorant or naïve, etc. My comments both above and below are directed at “most people” in general, and most definitely not at you.

The truth is that I do respect your intelligence, and I also appreciate all the time and hard work you invest into this forum. Open carry rights is something that I’m very passionate about. And I’m also very passionate about our firearm rights in general.

Few Americans and few gun owners can understand the magnitude of the ramifications of the “mental health” gun legislation that is likely to be enacted because of these school shootings. According to the Gun Owners of America, “Tens of millions of Americans,” might lose their 2A rights because of the “mental health” legislation that is coming as a result. Do you know why these people hold such myopic views? Because they get their news exclusively from the mainstream media, and not from researching the topics on the internet.

Granted much of the information on the net is hyped, fake, and many of the proponents of these theories are delusional. But on the other hand, there are many highly credible people with verifiable information that is extremely difficult to take a careful look at and not realize that something very bad actually happened, and that the official stories are full of holes that don’t make sense.

There have been many very intelligent people from all sectors of society - from government to finance, to science, to religion, to the military, etc. - that have written much about what is happening and about to go down. They have put their knowledge in published books, not just on the net. Some of what you read is foolish conspiracy theories but much of it is sound, verifiable information.

If you or anyone else wants to bury their head in the sand, they’ll be doing so at their own peril. Keeping yourself ignorant will not stop the New World Order globalists from destroying our gun rights. No amount of cognitive dissonance, normalcy bias, and general apathy can protect even the most unaware of Americans as to what lies in their immediate future.

I’ve learned that there is no guaranteed way to wake up the sleeping masses; no set formula. All one can do is put the information in front of someone in a non-threatening way and they will make of it what they will. It depends on the person and the person providing them the information, along with the nature of how it is delivered.

Often times people won’t wake up right away, but eventually if they are exposed to the info over and over again, almost everyone will finally wake up. I’ll admit that there will always be a few people who are sleepwalkers and will remain in the deepest stages of sleep no matter what they are told or shown. Some will steadfastly refuse to accept the truth behind these mass shootings and will remain willfully ignorant to the painful end.

We can’t choose your own reality. Reality isn’t multiple choice. We can only choose our own destiny. Our fate will largely depend on how well informed we are. It is time to be pro-active about this issue of mental health gun legislation.

Again, Grapshot, will you please go to the thread I started called, “Montana Sheriffs & Peace Officers Association’s website,” read it and give us your thoughtful comments?

I was watching ancient aliens the other night on history channel and they explained all of this was done by aliens. The explained that aliens created humans and breed us to do work for them and the CIA knows all about it. Its clearly the aliens want more gun control and create false flags

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I was watching ancient aliens the other night on history channel and they explained all of this was done by aliens. The explained that aliens created humans and breed us to do work for them and the CIA knows all about it. Its clearly the aliens want more gun control and create false flags

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"Conspiracy theories" are an easy target for people to make fun of... but there may be a single grain of truth, within a ton of speculative ramblings. If there is that grain within each of those theories, the difficulty is then in connecting the grains - or "dots", if you prefer. The government - and their surreptitious agents - probably love those theories, and spend vast amounts of time pooh-poohing, and ridiculing them in public forums... such as this one. People are quick to trot out that shopworn "tin hat", and place it squarely upon the head of those who dare to put forth any possibility that may disturb the political/social box within which they themselves are trapped.

One of the greatest problems for those who "think outside the (culturally acceptable) box", is resistance from those who are incapable of seeing that which has not yet bitten them squarely upon their gluteus maximus. Believe it or not, the "Flat Earth Society" still exists today - seriously! (It was a good thing they couldn't convince Columbus he was about to sail to his doom - over the edge.) There are families which - for all intents and purposes - have controlled world finances for going on 400 years. Can you even begin to imagine the massive network of powerful people that could be formed in that length of time? There are "fraternal "organizations that - by their secrecy - pique the imaginations of "outsiders", and bring unwanted attention to themselves. There are NGOs that do the exact same thing. Research, investigation, monitoring, reporting, speculation... ad infinitum!

J'ever see people walking around carrying on a conversation... by themselves? Our first thought is "nut-job"! But, just because we can't hear the voices in their head, it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't there. What if the "nut-job" is actually gifted - beyond our understanding? Any self-respecting "shrink" would immediately deny such gifts exist - because SCIENCE cannot prove it. Well, it's very late now, and I must stop and "enter the arms of Morpheus". I hope some of you are able to follow my reasoning, although I did not really get my "train of thought' completely into the station. ;) Pax...
 

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"Conspiracy theories" are an easy target for people to make fun of... but there may be a single grain of truth, within a ton of speculative ramblings. If there is that grain within each of those theories, the difficulty is then in connecting the grains - or "dots", if you prefer. The government - and their surreptitious agents - probably love those theories, and spend vast amounts of time pooh-poohing, and ridiculing them in public forums... such as this one. People are quick to trot out that shopworn "tin hat", and place it squarely upon the head of those who dare to put forth any possibility that may disturb the political/social box within which they themselves are trapped.

One of the greatest problems for those who "think outside the (culturally acceptable) box", is resistance from those who are incapable of seeing that which has not yet bitten them squarely upon their gluteus maximus. Believe it or not, the "Flat Earth Society" still exists today - seriously! (It was a good thing they couldn't convince Columbus he was about to sail to his doom - over the edge.) There are families which - for all intents and purposes - have controlled world finances for going on 400 years. Can you even begin to imagine the massive network of powerful people that could be formed in that length of time? There are "fraternal "organizations that - by their secrecy - pique the imaginations of "outsiders", and bring unwanted attention to themselves. There are NGOs that do the exact same thing. Research, investigation, monitoring, reporting, speculation... ad infinitum!

J'ever see people walking around carrying on a conversation... by themselves? Our first thought is "nut-job"! But, just because we can't hear the voices in their head, it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't there. What if the "nut-job" is actually gifted - beyond our understanding? Any self-respecting "shrink" would immediately deny such gifts exist - because SCIENCE cannot prove it. Well, it's very late now, and I must stop and "enter the arms of Morpheus". I hope some of you are able to follow my reasoning, although I did not really get my "train of thought' completely into the station. ;) Pax...

Gil I actually agree with you that sometimes there is a grain of truth in some theories. But that's I issue I have with it. Out of a while theory one small piece may be fact. The other items are usually just assumptions or pure twisting of other facts. You then connect these single coincidences and make a larger theory.

Its actually pretty easy to come up with some of the "out of the box theory". If I had the data I could pit forth a theory that its the Danish who are controlling all the school shootings. I could base it on all the guys were left handed or like basketball or had purple under wear imported by the same danish company.

My point is when unfocus so much you can make connections to anything or anyone you want. Everything and everyone is connected.

And I was serious about that show about aliens making humans from their DNA. They did actually put forth one or two pieces of truth and then built a show around "connections".

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Grapshot,
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My statement that “If you study the topic enough any reasonable intelligent unbiased person would have to come to the conclusion that most of the school shootings were CIA false flag events” wasn’t directed specifically at you. It was a general opinion that “any” intelligent and reasonable person who looks at the topic, and does so in an unbiased manner, would have to come to the proper conclusion about the truth of what is happening.

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Again, Grapshot, will you please go to the thread I started called, “Montana Sheriffs & Peace Officers Association’s website,” read it and give us your thoughtful comments?

One - I don't usually read a wall of text. A responsible method would be to cite, not rant, when requested. Valid cites will include source, date, and be appropriate for the contention. Yours are severely wanting.

In this case I did both read of them completely - found them laughable and w/o merit.

More so, I find such posts as insulting and a negative reflection on the forum.

You say you are not attacking/insulting others, yet state that any "intelligent and reasonable person" would come to the same conclusion as you have. Therefore if they do not agree with you then you are stating that they are not either intelligent or reasonable. That, sir, is an attack - left handed perhaps, but still a slap in the face.

Other options are being considered at this juncture - postings/threads of this type harm OCDO.
 

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You say you are not attacking/insulting others, yet state that any "intelligent and reasonable person" would come to the same conclusion as you have. Therefore if they do not agree with you then you are stating that they are not either intelligent or reasonable. That, sir, is an attack - left handed perhaps, but still a slap in the face.

Other options are being considered at this juncture - postings/threads of this type harm OCDO.

I also stated that they might be biased or playing politically correct because they are in some kind of public position such as moderator of this forum.

"Other options" sounds like some kind of a threat to me.

If you think I'm harmful to this forum please feel free to ban me from further activity and also to take down all of my past postings. Really, I won't be offended.

My goal in writing all that I did on my thread "Montana Sheriffs & Peace Officers Association's website" was to open some American gun owners eyes to the coming Obamaban BEFORE it is enacted so that hopefully there will be some informed resistance. If you feel that is harmful to the forum or to the mission of promoting open carry rights and/or firearm rights in general, then by all means please carry out your veiled threat.

In fact, I'll formally request right now that if I've harmed OCDO, please erase every trace of my presence here.

And for anyone else who feels that I've insulted or attacked them or have damaged this forum, I offer you my sincere apologies.

But please allow me to end with a true story.

After Colorado's Amendment 22 (also known as the Background Checks at Gun Shows Act) was passed into law in November, 2000, I spoke to an elderly couple (or perhaps middle-aged might be a better descriptor as they were 60ish) who were homeowners near Columbine High School. They told me in person (at one of the last Tanner Gun Shows before the new law went into effect - they were there to buy a private sale handgun while they still could) that they had seen several "armed men in black" (their words) dressed in SWAT gear outside of the school at least an hour prior to the mass shooting. They believed that there were multiple shooters involved other than Harris and Klebold. They said that they had contacted numerous LEOs and other public authorities but were stonewalled in their efforts. They told me that the FBI had come to their home and told them that they had better shut up or their grandchild might be in danger. I looked right into both of their eyes when they spoke to me and I believe every word they said. This couple were eyewitnesses to the fact that Columbine was a false flag event designed to garner public support for SB22. I'm sorry, but I can't see how speaking this kind of truth is harmful.
 

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I also stated that they might be biased or playing politically correct because they are in some kind of public position such as moderator of this forum.

"Other options" sounds like some kind of a threat to me.

If you think I'm harmful to this forum please feel free to ban me from further activity and also to take down all of my past postings. Really, I won't be offended.

My goal in writing all that I did on my thread "Montana Sheriffs & Peace Officers Association's website" was to open some American gun owners eyes to the coming Obamaban BEFORE it is enacted so that hopefully there will be some informed resistance. If you feel that is harmful to the forum or to the mission of promoting open carry rights and/or firearm rights in general, then by all means please carry out your veiled threat.

In fact, I'll formally request right now that if I've harmed OCDO, please erase every trace of my presence here.

And for anyone else who feels that I've insulted or attacked them or have damaged this forum, I offer you my sincere apologies.

But please allow me to end with a true story.

After Colorado's Amendment 22 (also known as the Background Checks at Gun Shows Act) was passed into law in November, 2000, I spoke to an elderly couple (or perhaps middle-aged might be a better descriptor as they were 60ish) who were homeowners near Columbine High School. They told me in person (at one of the last Tanner Gun Shows before the new law went into effect - they were there to buy a private sale handgun while they still could) that they had seen several "armed men in black" (their words) dressed in SWAT gear outside of the school at least an hour prior to the mass shooting. They believed that there were multiple shooters involved other than Harris and Klebold. They said that they had contacted numerous LEOs and other public authorities but were stonewalled in their efforts. They told me that the FBI had come to their home and told them that they had better shut up or their grandchild might be in danger. I looked right into both of their eyes when they spoke to me and I believe every word they said. This couple were eyewitnesses to the fact that Columbine was a false flag event designed to garner public support for SB22. I'm sorry, but I can't see how speaking this kind of truth is harmful.

"Other options" within the guidelines and tools provided is a statement of my position as well a a warning.

Your elderly/middle-aged couple story about Columbine H.S. would appear to be just more fictionalized drama - there is absolutely no evidence supporting this.

Though many years have passed, fertile minds will find a way to argue known conditions with nothing but their empty claim to support them. We will contribute to that no more.
 
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