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CHP renewal question
- Thread starter ChinChin
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Chuckles
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Or you could just get one of these.
http://www.popguns.com/badge/virginia.htm
Edit:Well, I put this down as sarcasm for a chuckle,figured everyone here had better sensing than buying one. Glad the board got the legality and common-sensability parts sorted out on this.
Or you could just get one of these.
http://www.popguns.com/badge/virginia.htm
Edit:Well, I put this down as sarcasm for a chuckle,figured everyone here had better sensing than buying one. Glad the board got the legality and common-sensability parts sorted out on this.
ProShooter
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Chuckles wrote:
I seriously hope that you are joking.
Badges like that will get you shot.
Chuckles wrote:
I seriously hope that you are joking.
Badges like that will get you shot.
Thundar
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Chuckles wrote:
Ugh...
The badge again:banghead:
First, in Virginia there is no such thing as concealed weapons permit, so the badge is wrong.
Second, that badge idea is more stupid than painting the tip of your gun orange or bashing long gun open carriers.
Chuckles wrote:
Ugh...
The badge again:banghead:
First, in Virginia there is no such thing as concealed weapons permit, so the badge is wrong.
Second, that badge idea is more stupid than painting the tip of your gun orange or bashing long gun open carriers.
ProShooter
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Thundar wrote:
Some guy walked into BCI with a CWP badge and his gun and they all thought he was a cop. When they asked who he was with, he said "I'm with you guys". He thought the badge made him more official
Thundar wrote:
I don't recall the statute off the top of my head, but I remember when I was in the instructor class for Utah that they told us it was illegal to have one of those.
Some guy walked into BCI with a CWP badge and his gun and they all thought he was a cop. When they asked who he was with, he said "I'm with you guys". He thought the badge made him more official
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Chuckles wrote:
It is illegal in Virginia to carry/display such if it has the state seal on it - unless you are so authorized by your position and statute.
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-175
Yata hey
Chuckles wrote:
It is considered bad form by most to carry a concealed weapons badge - we do not want anyone to think we are LEOs - even mistakenly.
It is illegal in Virginia to carry/display such if it has the state seal on it - unless you are so authorized by your position and statute.
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-175
Yata hey
user
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ProShooter wrote:
ProShooter wrote:
True, it's a crime to use the Great Seal of the Commonwealth of Virginia without proper authorization.Thundar wrote:I don't recall the statute off the top of my head, but I remember when I was in the instructor class for Utah that they told us it was illegal to have one of those.
Some guy walked into BCI with a CWP badge and his gun and they all thought he was a cop. When they asked who he was with, he said "I'm with you guys". He thought the badge made him more official
TFred
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user wrote:
Someone should probably report these badge clowns to the state, maybe it would get at least the Virginia badge removed from their offerings.
TFred
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About 5 years ago, a friend of mine (who also happens to be a lawyer, although that is not pertinent to the story) had an interest in using the seal on a web site. We researched the law, and from what we were able to determine at the time, the state absolutely controls the use of the seal itself, but does or cannot control the use of images of the state flag! So if you put the seal in front of a blue banner roughly the same shape and shade as the state flag, you are ok. At least that was what we found a few years ago.ProShooter wrote:True, it's a crime to use the Great Seal of the Commonwealth of Virginia without proper authorization.Thundar wrote:I don't recall the statute off the top of my head, but I remember when I was in the instructor class for Utah that they told us it was illegal to have one of those.
Some guy walked into BCI with a CWP badge and his gun and they all thought he was a cop. When they asked who he was with, he said "I'm with you guys". He thought the badge made him more official
Someone should probably report these badge clowns to the state, maybe it would get at least the Virginia badge removed from their offerings.
TFred
ChinChin
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Chuckles wrote:
Chuckles wrote:
Oh no he dn'int!
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TFred wrote:
Some years ago when DOC discontinued the "gold badges" (w/state seal) for supervisory personnel, they allowed the people to purchase their badges as a personal memento. Those people are probably all retired now and I am sure they weren't compelled to get rid of them.
Yata hey
TFred wrote:
It likely is not against the law to sell, own or possess them, but not legal to wear or "use" them inappropriately.
Some years ago when DOC discontinued the "gold badges" (w/state seal) for supervisory personnel, they allowed the people to purchase their badges as a personal memento. Those people are probably all retired now and I am sure they weren't compelled to get rid of them.
Yata hey
TFred
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Grapeshot wrote:
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+1-505
Grapeshot wrote:
Ok, you got my curiosity up from so long ago... here's the scoop, they are in clear violation:
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+1-505
§ 1-505. Seals deemed property of Commonwealth; unauthorized use; penalty.
The seals of the Commonwealth shall be deemed the property of the Commonwealth; and no persons shall exhibit, display, or in any manner utilize the seals or any facsimile or representation of the seals of the Commonwealth for nongovernmental purposes unless such use is specifically authorized by law.
Except for the authorized commercial use of the seal as provided in § 2.2-122, any person violating the provisions of this section shall be punished by a fine of not more than $100, or by imprisonment for not more than 30 days or both.
The seals of the Commonwealth shall be deemed the property of the Commonwealth; and no persons shall exhibit, display, or in any manner utilize the seals or any facsimile or representation of the seals of the Commonwealth for nongovernmental purposes unless such use is specifically authorized by law.
Except for the authorized commercial use of the seal as provided in § 2.2-122, any person violating the provisions of this section shall be punished by a fine of not more than $100, or by imprisonment for not more than 30 days or both.
TFred
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Grapeshot wrote:
TFred
Grapeshot wrote:
If the state asserts ownership, don't they have the ability to enforce this across state lines?
TFred
user
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Grapeshot wrote:
Yes, but there's a question of jurisdiction over the person and proper venue. The states being territorial in nature (unlike the U.S., which was set up to be nonterritorial), criminal jurisdiction stops at the borders. Virginia could, however, file suit anywhere they can find someone using the property of the Commonwealth without authorization. But that's like doing extraditions - we don't do things like that, even though we could, because it costs too much money.
By the way, anytime someone wants to get ahold of me, email's the best way. And unlike most folks, mine's "public" in the "user" profile. Click on the word, "user" at the upper left to see it.
Grapeshot wrote:
Yes, but there's a question of jurisdiction over the person and proper venue. The states being territorial in nature (unlike the U.S., which was set up to be nonterritorial), criminal jurisdiction stops at the borders. Virginia could, however, file suit anywhere they can find someone using the property of the Commonwealth without authorization. But that's like doing extraditions - we don't do things like that, even though we could, because it costs too much money.
By the way, anytime someone wants to get ahold of me, email's the best way. And unlike most folks, mine's "public" in the "user" profile. Click on the word, "user" at the upper left to see it.
paramedic70002
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TFred wrote:
§ 18.2-175. Unlawful wearing of officer's uniform or insignia; unlawful use of vehicle with word "police" shown thereon.
No person, not such an officer as is referred to in § 19.2-78, shall wear any such uniform as is designated pursuant to the provisions of such section or wear an insignia or markings containing the Seal of the Commonwealth or the insignia of any such officer's uniform, nor shall any person not such an officer, or not authorized by such officer, or not authorized by the military police of the armed forces or of the National Guard, or not authorized by the military police of other governmental agencies, use or cause to be used on the public roads or highways of this Commonwealth, any motor vehicle bearing markings with the word "police" shown thereon. However, the prohibition against wearing an insignia or markings containing the Seal of the Commonwealth shall not apply to any certified firefighter or to any certified or licensed emergency medical personnel. Any violation of this section shall be a Class 1 misdemeanor.
This is pretty cool, since I am a VA certified Paramedic I can have a Commonwealth of Virginia seal on my CHP badge!!!!!:celebrate
TFred wrote:
§ 18.2-175. Unlawful wearing of officer's uniform or insignia; unlawful use of vehicle with word "police" shown thereon.
No person, not such an officer as is referred to in § 19.2-78, shall wear any such uniform as is designated pursuant to the provisions of such section or wear an insignia or markings containing the Seal of the Commonwealth or the insignia of any such officer's uniform, nor shall any person not such an officer, or not authorized by such officer, or not authorized by the military police of the armed forces or of the National Guard, or not authorized by the military police of other governmental agencies, use or cause to be used on the public roads or highways of this Commonwealth, any motor vehicle bearing markings with the word "police" shown thereon. However, the prohibition against wearing an insignia or markings containing the Seal of the Commonwealth shall not apply to any certified firefighter or to any certified or licensed emergency medical personnel. Any violation of this section shall be a Class 1 misdemeanor.
This is pretty cool, since I am a VA certified Paramedic I can have a Commonwealth of Virginia seal on my CHP badge!!!!!:celebrate