Hevymetal
Regular Member
Interesting story, today I was OC in a bar/restaurant with my wife and mother to have dinner (NO drinks). I have been going to there for 20+ years. I have known the owner for over a decade (he attended my wedding last year). I have OC there quite a few times with no issues (apparently no one noticed before) when today the owners girlfriend came over when she noticed my firearm. She said "You can't have a gun in a bar. You should cover that before someone calls the cops on you." when I explained to her it was perfectly legal to OC with a CPL as long as I'm not consuming alcohol she was stunned. I showed her MSP 86 and her response was "Of all the people in here you are the least of my concerns about carrying a gun, I actually feel safer knowing you have one. But we sure the hell don't want everyone carrying one." She asked if I could cover it for the sake of not making a precedent to the other customers (mostly locals with too much alcohol and not enough common sense). When I explained the legality of that would depend on the % of gross sale of alcohol VS food. She said she believed food sales outweighed the alcohol sales but wasn't 100% sure but she would make it a point to check the books and find out for me. She asked if the owner consented to me CC while in there would that be OK with the law even if the alcohol sales were more? My response was I'll check on that one and get back to her on that.
My question to those more knowledge then I is: If I have express consent from the bar owner to CC in his business (does it need to be written if so?) is it legal for me CC so regardless of the food/alcohol ratio? Or is consent from the owner irrelevant since I am not technically an employee? (Could I qualify as a security guard 3 times a month while taking the family out to dinner or would I have to be on payroll?) The owner is pro-gun and has no issues with me or others carrying but has a fear that some of his patrons would lack the self-control and restraint to OC responsibly so he really doesn't want them to know it's allowed by everyone. (He doesn't want to verify if they are CPL holders)
If the food ratio outweighs the alcohol sales and OC and CC is legal he asked about the legality of a sign stating "ALL Firearms MUST be Concealed" and further inquired if food/alcohol ratio is not good then what if he gave EVERYONE permission to CC while in his business?
Thanks for any info you can provide since this one kind stumped me, I figured with private property rights he could dictate NO OC and require CC but I wasn't sure if Private property right could allow him to override any CFZ restrictions imposed on a CPL holders ability to CC in a CFZ.
Hevy
My question to those more knowledge then I is: If I have express consent from the bar owner to CC in his business (does it need to be written if so?) is it legal for me CC so regardless of the food/alcohol ratio? Or is consent from the owner irrelevant since I am not technically an employee? (Could I qualify as a security guard 3 times a month while taking the family out to dinner or would I have to be on payroll?) The owner is pro-gun and has no issues with me or others carrying but has a fear that some of his patrons would lack the self-control and restraint to OC responsibly so he really doesn't want them to know it's allowed by everyone. (He doesn't want to verify if they are CPL holders)
If the food ratio outweighs the alcohol sales and OC and CC is legal he asked about the legality of a sign stating "ALL Firearms MUST be Concealed" and further inquired if food/alcohol ratio is not good then what if he gave EVERYONE permission to CC while in his business?
Thanks for any info you can provide since this one kind stumped me, I figured with private property rights he could dictate NO OC and require CC but I wasn't sure if Private property right could allow him to override any CFZ restrictions imposed on a CPL holders ability to CC in a CFZ.
Hevy