Bad idea or good?

[VFORVENDETTA]

What if you guys had a big meet up in vegas then called 911 on each other. Maybe that could get metro to change policy or get more info from the 911 operator.

 

[SCJeffro]

I will go ahead and go on record stating that this is a horrible idea... I am almost certain that falsely reporting a crime is a crime in itself....

 

[flagellum]

I will go ahead and go on record stating that this is a horrible idea... I am almost certain that falsely reporting a crime is a crime in itself....

I'm going to speak for the entire Nevada forum and agree with the above. Jeff's post, that is.

 

[VFORVENDETTA]

I will go ahead and go on record stating that this is a horrible idea... I am almost certain that falsely reporting a crime is a crime in itself....

It's not a crime your just reporting MWAG, those black things shure are scary.

 

[Citizen]

Bad idea.

Of course, if you are reporting legal OC in a factually truthful way, you are not falsely reporting a crime. Although, I wouldn't put it past a prosecutor to try to twist the activity into a crime. Wouldn't put it past a judge to allow the prosecutor to do it, either.

Tying up resources and testing the system is probably best left to the investigative journalists (who can claim 1st Amendment protections) and sting-type fellas like ex-cop-turned-cop-buster Barry Cooper.

There must be better ways to get the PD to tweak their policies.

 

[VFORVENDETTA]

Can we at least agree metro needs some CHANGE.
Maybe boot out Doug Gillespe, costco will hire him.

 

[Nevada carrier]

I'm going to speak for the entire Nevada forum and agree with the above.

definitely not a good idea. -1

 

[DVC]

It's not a crime your just reporting MWAG, those black things shure are scary.

Good strategy, poor tactic.

Those calls would abuse of the 911 system, and could get in the way of real emergency calls. That's why it's a bad tactic.

What makes it a good STRATEGY is that you can go to meetings of city councils, county and police commissions, etc, and ask them if we should call in all MWAGs every time we see one -- including each other, people at gun shows, cops, etc . . .or do they want to get us all on the same page by training their cops and setting their policies to conform with the law . . ?

 

[gunrunner1911]

Good strategy, poor tactic.

Those calls would abuse of the 911 system, and could get in the way of real emergency calls. That's why it's a bad tactic.

What makes it a good STRATEGY is that you can go to meetings of city councils, county and police commissions, etc, and ask them if we should call in all MWAGs every time we see one -- including each other, people at gun shows, cops, etc . . .or do they want to get us all on the same page by training their cops and setting their policies to conform with the law . . ?

Presentation at the city county level like stated would be the best tactic although notoriously slow it's the safest and sainest method. Dare I say that if there is a 10% possibility of something happening where by one person is injured either by police responding or there actions on site it just isn't worth the risk.
It's Vegas just do what you've been doing and roll the dice if you win and it is an uneventful event great if you do have an encounter handle it politely and get video. It only adds up to more ammo either way.
There has been progress made in Vegas to that I commend all those who have devoted time to it. One incident like this could be enough to set it all back and cop baiting just like "SWATing" is not a good idea.

 

[VFORVENDETTA]

Police use entrapment all the time, prostitution and drugs stings come to mind.

 

[paintsnow]

It sounds like a great idea, the only issue with it is tying up the already taxed 911 system, and possibly causing delays for people with real emergencies. By us jamming up the system, lives could literally be lost because of our actions. Extremely irresponsible and not a good light to be seen in by the community, puts us almost at the level of criminals since misusing the 911 system can be a crime. I would say the same for 311, since you would most likely be transferred over onto the 911 system if they hear gun. Sure its their own fault then for putting you on the 911 system when not needed, but you are still instigating it, and partially responsible for tying up the system.

It could be a good point to bring up though at certain meetings as mentioned. Explaining how resources are being used up, instead of just having the dispatcher ask what the person is doing, and explaining its legal. For example, when i was at del taco, i was eating lunch when the girl called me in. The dispatcher tried to explain to her it was legal, she wouldn't hear it and wanted a cop there to arrest me. Cop showed up and said the same thing. In some cases, explaining wont help, but in MOST cases, it would eliminate the need for police response if the call taker can explain the legality and calm the caller.

 

[gunrunner1911]

Police use entrapment all the time, prostitution and drugs stings come to mind.

I stand on the corner looking like a prostitute you drive by looking at me. You don't get arrested do you? You stop and engage in the act of soliciting sex for money you go to jail. Is it any different if the prostitute is undercover PD or if PD observes you handing money over and her subsiquent performance of the horizontal limbo? No one ran out in traffic stopping you and forcing you to engage in unlawful carnnel knowledge.
You wouldn't like it if they entrapped you so why put them into the same position. Imagine if they just walked up to you and said hey have some oral sex you say great and they slap the stainless bracelets on.
I can be mean cruel and vindictave at times and can think up some really twisted crap in order to nail people to the wall who so desperately deserve it but I wouldn't suggest this tactic against the police.
Let it happen A/V it and make the system miserable and blind on paperwork for the next year. Hopefully if it gross violation of law they person loses their employment and the lesson is learned by the whole Dept.

 

[timf343]

they slap the stainless bracelets on.

For the record, I completely agree. Calling in to report MWAG is a bad idea all around. Don't do it!

But I had to respond that the "stainless" bracelets left a rust stain on the shirt I was wearing when I stopped for OC June 2009. I still have the shirt, with those rust stains, and usually wear it to OC outings.

 

[Gundude]

It sounds like a great idea, the only issue with it is tying up the already taxed 911 system, and possibly causing delays for people with real emergencies. By us jamming up the system, lives could literally be lost because of our actions.

If you are calling to test the dispatcher with a MWAG call, don't use the 911 number. Use the non emergency number. If an officer is doing an (e)check, and they get a call for a 211 in progress, they will leave you for the more important call. It won't jam up the system.

 

[paintsnow]

If you are calling to test the dispatcher with a MWAG call, don't use the 911 number. Use the non emergency number. If an officer is doing an (e)check, and they get a call for a 211 in progress, they will leave you for the more important call. It won't jam up the system.

Ive used the non emergency number several times, and usually i get transferred to the actual 911 system. At peak times, its not unheard of for callers to be put on hold for a short time. Even if when you call you pretend you dont know the law and are "scared" you are still abusing the system. Also, they record your name and number when you call. Last time i called they didnt even ask me fore mine, they just asked me if my name was so and so and if XXX-XXXX was still my valid number. 911 has caller id too...they keep records.

 

[Bravo_Sierra]

Vegas Police went through training about MWAG calls. I think you missed the memo.

 

[gunrunner1911]

For the record, I completely agree. Calling in to report MWAG is a bad idea all around. Don't do it!

But I had to respond that the "stainless" bracelets left a rust stain on the shirt I was wearing when I stopped for OC June 2009. I still have the shirt, with those rust stains, and usually wear it to OC outings.

Well it could be because of budget reductions they can't spring for the "stainless" or you got one of those Costco cops that don't use them because they would rather just shoot you. If they never leave the leather they are bound to rust. Good thing for this board that didn't happen. We can't really afford to lose you.
As for the T shirt I would wear it with pride also.

 

[DVC]

Vegas Police went through training about MWAG calls. I think you missed the memo.

I think the cops who went to Costco missed the memo.

 

[calmp9]

What if you guys had a big meet up in vegas then called 911 on each other. Maybe that could get metro to change policy or get more info from the 911 operator.

Bad idea, very bad idea.

 

[kwikrnu]

Vegas Police went through training about MWAG calls. I think you missed the memo.

Cool, so now all they need is some training on how not to kill innocent people shopping for backpacks.