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Attempted car jacking

Ironbar

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Not to play devil's advocate or anything, but I don't suppose the OP has a link to a news story or police incident report to back up his story?

It all sounds a little too pat.
 

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okboomer wrote:
Good job Tyler!

Along with the recommendations to write letters to the officers, you might also consider taking out an ad in the local newspaper to publish the letter and describing the incident so other folks will see reasonable and measured use of a firearm by a citizen. It is stories like this that need to be publicized, rather than exclusively shooting stories. This incident should bolster the continued support of SDA by legislators in your state. Does AZ have OC? This type of incident would also bolster passage of that type of legislature.

AZ is not only legal OC, it's rather common. It's amazing to us 'Zonies how foreign it seems to be across the country.
 

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usSiR wrote:
paramedic70002 wrote:
Good job staying alive.

2 points to ponder before your your next outing:

1. Stay in the vehicle. Make the BG go the extra mile and prove he means you harm.

2. When the gun comes out, don't talk; shoot. In this case you lucked out. Next time remember that your luck ran out!

I was thinking almost the same....

from 5-8 feet away if the man was going to charge at him, he would have enough time to make a shot. Now if the BG had a gun shooting right away would have been a better thing to do. I dont want to say it was only a knife, but I think its better to do what he did under the conditions. The situation let him give the BG a choice of what to do next giving him time to make the next move on the BG if needed.

Its better that no one got hurt at all

But I agree with staying in the car and letting the BG make the move of trying to gain entry or breaking out a window, with the gun ready...

Good job!
In my previous law enforcement training,it wasemphasized that it is now considered acceptable in law enforcement to use deadly force on an assailant with a knife if that person is anywhere within 21 feet or less from you. The reason?

Because numerous studies have shown that, beginning froma "cold"start...gun holstered, ready butwaiting to see what the assailant is going to do...the absoluteFASTEST time that a person can recognizethe threat, formulatethe appropriateresponse in their mind, and react to that threat...is 2 seconds!! This is based on human physiology!! Evensomeone such as an LE officer or anyone who has had extensive training and has practiced their draw hundreds of times, is still subject to the limitations of the human nervous system...and will take a minimum of2 seconds to react.

True, 2 seconds doesn't seem like much time...but there is a catch! A person running towardsyou, attacking you, even from a standing start,can cover 21 feet in that same2 seconds. So ifthat person begins moving/running toward you in an aggressive manner, theycan get to you and inflict damagein the time it takes you to react and defend yourself.

Of course this reaction time does not take into account being already in the combat mindset...and having your gun already in hand, so that can shorten things somewhat. But based on this story, it would probably be considered justifiable self defense to have shot him, especially if he began moving toward you...even walking.

Just my 2 cents.

Dave R
 

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Wouldn't that give the BG the upper hand? Have you ever tried fighiting someone who is trying to drag you out of the drivers window? I imagen that it would be fairley difficult.
Actually I have. It was an attempted strong arm robbery where one guy held the door open and the second attempted to pull me out of my pickup....
They were both teenagers, maybe 140lbs each soak and wet.
I'm 6'3" and 350lbs. It was so funny, the guy kept telling me to get out and I was no "nope", he ended up grabbing me with both hands, putting his left foot on the bottom of the door frame and his right leg on the side of my cab about level with my elbow while I was seated. It looked like some kind of comedy, I starting laughing uncontrollably. I was carrying concealed and I didn't even think of drawing. After I started laughing they gave it a few more seconds try and then ran off. They must have been the most inept G-thugs I've ever seen.
 

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simmonsjoe wrote:
Actually I have. It was an attempted strong arm robbery where one guy held the door open and the second attempted to pull me out of my pickup....
They were both teenagers, maybe 140lbs each soak and wet.
I'm 6'3" and 350lbs. It was so funny, the guy kept telling me to get out and I was no "nope", he ended up grabbing me with both hands, putting his left foot on the bottom of the door frame and his right leg on the side of my cab about level with my elbow while I was seated. It looked like some kind of comedy, I starting laughing uncontrollably. I was carrying concealed and I didn't even think of drawing. After I started laughing they gave it a few more seconds try and then ran off. They must have been the most inept G-thugs I've ever seen.

Good for you, SJ.

Some people here would have drawn.

Sometimes, the gun is useless.
 

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TylerEMT wrote:
I was on my way to my work to pick up my check. I pull up behind a red older Cadillac stopped at a green light in the turn lane, traffic was dense and cars were building up behind me. I gave a single, short honk to alert the driver that the light was green. As soon a I honked, the passenger stepped out of the car and began to scream at me. He started banging on the hood of my truck, yelling to get out. I put the car in park, and I unbuckled my seatbelt to have better access to my gun. I then locked the doors. He then reached into his pocket, which caused me to upholstered my gun and opened my door. He flicked open a knife, and I stepped away from my truck and drew down on him. I told him to drop the knife; he didn't. At this point there was about 5-8 feet in between us, and he was now holding the knife at his side. He looked pissed and confused that I was pointing a gun at him. I told him a second time to drop it. He didn't drop it, but he looked like he was arguing with himself in his head about what to do. I told him he needed to drop the knife or I was going to shoot. He threw the knife at the curb and held his hands out. I told him to lay on his stomach, and put his hand out like an airplane. It was at this point I realized two things, 1, I had no way of calling 911 because my phone was in my car, and, 2, I wasn't paying any attention to the driver. I told him not to move and started to watch the driver. I was able to watch the guy on the ground out of my peripheral and see what the driver was doing. He was just sitting there watching me with his hands in the air.The lady that pulled behind me got out of her car and I could hear she was already on the phone with 911. I stood there for what seemed hours before a cop car pulled up in front of their car. He yelled at me to holster my gun and put my hands on top of my head. I did this, and he came and handcuffed the guy on the ground. Another patrol car came up and pulled the guy out of the car. A third cop came up and walked me to his car (with my hands on my head). He disarmed me and asked me what happened. I told him that I thought he was going to kill me, I'm really upset, and I'll answer his questions when I had time to calm down with a lawyer. The cops got the story form a bunch of the bystanders, so I didn't have to say anything (or incriminate myself accidentally). He gave me my magazine and a bullet back and told me to put it in my car. When I got back he gave me my gun and told me to put it in my car. Both guys were arrested (the driver had warrants). I was very happy with the way the police handled the situation. I didn't get guns pointed at me, I wasn't put in handcuffs, and I wasn't treated like a criminal. I was a victim from the second the cops had control of my gun.
That is an interesting experience. You say that you were a victim from the second the cops had control of your gun. Please tell me more about your experience. One of my biggest fears is trying to defend myself in a public situation and having the police treat me as a criminal! Please get back to me on this. You can e-mail me at firestriker72@gmail.com.
 

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LUCKY (( or blessed )) that the "bystanders" were not on the BG's side, if that happens in a bad neighborhood then "hoods" will all gang up on you and say you started it OR even jump in and do you dirty, gun or no gun .

Glad to hear Your OK
 
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