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Armed bystanders shoot at shoplifters in Marysville, disabling their vehicle, then disappear.

Firearms Iinstuctor

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So Dain B, as one who professes to being from Arlington located in Snohomish County, Washington, United States and part of the Seattle metropolitan area one would presume you would be quite familiar with the Evergreen’s Revised Code of Washington (RCW) which is the compilation of all permanent laws now in force.

Thanks for clarifying this for us non Washington residences.
 

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https://www.northcountyoutlook.com/...cle_b9bb6022-0964-11e9-9563-c7e3f4852616.html

According to Thomas this individual drew his weapon and placed it in the “low-ready position” which would be visible but pointed toward the ground.

“The passenger told the driver ‘he’s not going to shoot us,’ and they drove off,” said Thomas.

As the two suspected shoplifters left they struck the individual with their car. That particular individual never fired his gun and stayed at the scene to deliver a police statement, said Thomas.

“However a couple of other individuals were around and did take out their firearms and shot at the vehicle,” he said.

Bing or elsewhere, the stated events (as far as today's unreliable journalism goes) line up well enough.

Fake and flaky 2A advocates, like all fakes and flakes, will try to act the part by mimicking people around them. They follow appearances and trends. Finger always to the wind, compromise and surrender at the ready. Eager to appease and throw people under the bus. I don't think we need to surrender the concept of citizen's arrest just yet, nor play advocate for the prosecution against the "good guys" when this doesn't look any worse than an LE arrest gone bad. Certainly WW's advice holds true.

I don't want parking lots nationwide to light up, and the optics might not be the best either, but law and order can't only be for appearances and to appease and enlarge big guv. We can't shed morality, rights, and law itself to pursue the appearance of law. I was a bit sickened by a glance at conversation in another couple of forums that were linked in the duplicate thread, plus the proliferation of media news not about the crime itself, but about the pseudo-crime or neo-crime of stopping it. The good old herd.
 

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Per article above...^^^^^^

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.16.110
In part:
Defending against violent crime—Reimbursement.
(1) No person in the state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting by any reasonable means necessary, himself or herself, his or her family, or his or her real or personal property, or for coming to the aid of another who is in imminent danger of or the victim of assault, robbery, kidnapping, arson, burglary, rape, murder, or any other violent crime as defined in RCW 9.94A.030.
(2) When a person charged with a crime listed in subsection (1) of this section is found not guilty by reason of self-defense, the state of Washington shall reimburse the defendant for all reasonable costs, including loss of time, legal fees incurred, and other expenses involved in his or her defense. This reimbursement is not an independent cause of action. To award these reasonable costs the trier of fact must find that the defendant's claim of self-defense was sustained by a preponderance of the evidence. If the trier of fact makes a determination of self-defense, the judge shall determine the amount of the award.
Why would anyone turn themselves in to stand trial and hope a jury finds them not guilty.

Also, item (1) says: "No person in the state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting by any reasonable means necessary............ his or her real or personal property,"
 

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Yep. And:

The two suspects are now being held and charged with robbery instead of theft. “As soon as they struck the individual with the car it becomes robbery because they are using force or the threat of force,” said Thomas.
 
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