TatankaGap
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protector84 wrote:
protector84 wrote:
Can you tell me why your backup mag is full of hardball and not hollow point?
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Anyone change their habits since the attacks in India?
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deepdiver
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TatankaGap wrote:
TatankaGap wrote:
I'm going to guess for the same reason that while my primary mag is loaded with Ranger SXTs that my 1st backup mag is loaded wiith Corbon DPX. The DPX, while also a hollowpoint, is a much better barrier penetrator than the SXT. If my first rounds, chosen in part because while big openers for maximum stoppage they don't have a tendency to overpenetrate, aren't finding the target, while it may be that I am just Poindextering my shots, it may also be that the BG is behind cover or wearing very thick/heavy clothing and my rounds can't get to vital areas to stop the threat, hence, carrying a backup mag of better penetrating rounds.
protector84
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There is a reason. I have heard that most self-defense situations are resolved after only two shots hit the assailant. The reason I use hollow points is because they are not likely to overpenetrate the target or ricochet if they miss the target making it safer for any bystanders in the way. The magazine holds 15 rounds and it is unlikely that I would have to fire them all. However, in the rare case that there is an assailant running quickly, closing the gap, and on drugs so he doesn't feel any pain or if there are multiple attackers, then I would have to fire a lot of rounds. If I've fired 15 rounds and the threat is still not neutralized, obviously there is a serious problem. This generally means that the situation is no longer an ordinary defensive encounter but is now a full-scale shootout by determined criminals. At this point, all bystanders are either going to have left the scene or have taken cover and the police are already on the way. Missed targets or overpenetration are no longer concerns as this is now full-scale battle and anyone who would still be meandering around aimlessly in the line of fire would simply be asking to make the Darwin Awards. The assailant(s) are likely shooting from behind cover which may include wooden shelves, walls, car doors, etc. They may also have light armor on. Therefore, bullets that penetrate well would do much better in such situations. Regardless, at this point any further shooting done by me would simply be to buy time until the police arrive or until I could escape. Having to use 30 rounds in a random defensive situation is very unlikely. Sad to say with the way things are these days, I don't rule anything out.
There is a reason. I have heard that most self-defense situations are resolved after only two shots hit the assailant. The reason I use hollow points is because they are not likely to overpenetrate the target or ricochet if they miss the target making it safer for any bystanders in the way. The magazine holds 15 rounds and it is unlikely that I would have to fire them all. However, in the rare case that there is an assailant running quickly, closing the gap, and on drugs so he doesn't feel any pain or if there are multiple attackers, then I would have to fire a lot of rounds. If I've fired 15 rounds and the threat is still not neutralized, obviously there is a serious problem. This generally means that the situation is no longer an ordinary defensive encounter but is now a full-scale shootout by determined criminals. At this point, all bystanders are either going to have left the scene or have taken cover and the police are already on the way. Missed targets or overpenetration are no longer concerns as this is now full-scale battle and anyone who would still be meandering around aimlessly in the line of fire would simply be asking to make the Darwin Awards. The assailant(s) are likely shooting from behind cover which may include wooden shelves, walls, car doors, etc. They may also have light armor on. Therefore, bullets that penetrate well would do much better in such situations. Regardless, at this point any further shooting done by me would simply be to buy time until the police arrive or until I could escape. Having to use 30 rounds in a random defensive situation is very unlikely. Sad to say with the way things are these days, I don't rule anything out.
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...after 9/11, many terrorists bragged that they planned to hit our schools and kill our children...look what they did in Russia...
...now look what they did in India...would they do the same type of attack elsewhere?
....as they train...so they do....they also train to come up behind a person and cut his throat, drop him, and on to the next....no guns needed...one man could kill a dozen before encountering resistance...six of these guys in a mall.....
...we should learn from what they do...and what their training is...and try to figure out what to do to stop them IF we're there....we'll never get it all figured out...we don't, thank God, think like they do...
...I went from my P90 or P97 and 4 clips to 6 clips and, when I wear a coat, 8...it's no trouble and may make a difference...who can say....
...our best weapon is our mindset...even unarmed...there are ways to fight with whatever's around...ways to take a weapon from them....ANYTHING but stand there and wait my turn....
...after 9/11, many terrorists bragged that they planned to hit our schools and kill our children...look what they did in Russia...
...now look what they did in India...would they do the same type of attack elsewhere?
....as they train...so they do....they also train to come up behind a person and cut his throat, drop him, and on to the next....no guns needed...one man could kill a dozen before encountering resistance...six of these guys in a mall.....
...we should learn from what they do...and what their training is...and try to figure out what to do to stop them IF we're there....we'll never get it all figured out...we don't, thank God, think like they do...
...I went from my P90 or P97 and 4 clips to 6 clips and, when I wear a coat, 8...it's no trouble and may make a difference...who can say....
...our best weapon is our mindset...even unarmed...there are ways to fight with whatever's around...ways to take a weapon from them....ANYTHING but stand there and wait my turn....
HardChrome
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sheepdog wrote:
You know the newspaper would jump all over the number of bullets any one ofus had and exploit that as a secondary issue to whatever incident we may have been involved in.
sheepdog wrote:
And unfortunately if you were to get "found out", you'd be made out to be the next potential mass killer with that "arsenal". I'm sure I'd be accused of the same thing with only two mags because as we all know, three or four bullets is more than enough to defend oneself.
You know the newspaper would jump all over the number of bullets any one ofus had and exploit that as a secondary issue to whatever incident we may have been involved in.
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...nope...won't live in fear of what people might say...that's the beauty of concealed...that line of thinking would limit us to a 5-shot .38 maybe...with nice, soft, round nose lead bullets...I got the same ridicule when I bought the first Second Chance on our dept....bought the first speed loaders, carried a backup...bought the first Streamlight rechargeable...the first Prosecutor baton...now, most depts. have most of those things...and they're the norm...I'm only concerned about what I might need...not what someone might think of it...dare to be different....it might payoff someday...
...nope...won't live in fear of what people might say...that's the beauty of concealed...that line of thinking would limit us to a 5-shot .38 maybe...with nice, soft, round nose lead bullets...I got the same ridicule when I bought the first Second Chance on our dept....bought the first speed loaders, carried a backup...bought the first Streamlight rechargeable...the first Prosecutor baton...now, most depts. have most of those things...and they're the norm...I'm only concerned about what I might need...not what someone might think of it...dare to be different....it might payoff someday...
YllwFvr
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bordsnbikes wrote:
Ok so as the average citizen does not carry a firearm of any kind, and most dont even own one, how are we unprepared? I agree we are not prepared for a terrorist strike, but how could you be unless you packed an arsenal? And I dont know about you but my car is parked about a mile away. Keeping my rifle and armor in my car is going to do me no good if a terrorist group decided to attack our paper plant. Its three miles long, its not like Im going to hop the barbed wire and make it to my car.
So maybe Im not at work, and my car is readily available. In this situation do I a. go to my vehicle and grab my rifle to try and take some of them out, or b. get to my car and run like crazy.
The times im out with family is pretty much never unless its my brother, who is armed like myself. So there is no "think about my family". If there was one or two, and they did not notice me, and I had a clear shot, AND there was no nearby people I might take the shot with my own rifle(Im not going to willingly get close enough to use my pistol if they are armed like the mumbai guys were).
Basically Im saying do I live in fear and carry my long gun in my trunk with some emergency supplies or is my hand gun and spare mags enough? Is it complacency that I dont wish to tote my rifle to the car every morning and back into my house at night? I dont think so. I believe that simply carrying a pistol( and being able to use it) is protection enough, yes.
bordsnbikes wrote:
"For the people who didnt change"
Being an armed and aware citizen, like so many here, what steps beyond the ones we have taken already would make us "prepared"?
bordsnbikes wrote:
Ok so as the average citizen does not carry a firearm of any kind, and most dont even own one, how are we unprepared? I agree we are not prepared for a terrorist strike, but how could you be unless you packed an arsenal? And I dont know about you but my car is parked about a mile away. Keeping my rifle and armor in my car is going to do me no good if a terrorist group decided to attack our paper plant. Its three miles long, its not like Im going to hop the barbed wire and make it to my car.
So maybe Im not at work, and my car is readily available. In this situation do I a. go to my vehicle and grab my rifle to try and take some of them out, or b. get to my car and run like crazy.
The times im out with family is pretty much never unless its my brother, who is armed like myself. So there is no "think about my family". If there was one or two, and they did not notice me, and I had a clear shot, AND there was no nearby people I might take the shot with my own rifle(Im not going to willingly get close enough to use my pistol if they are armed like the mumbai guys were).
Basically Im saying do I live in fear and carry my long gun in my trunk with some emergency supplies or is my hand gun and spare mags enough? Is it complacency that I dont wish to tote my rifle to the car every morning and back into my house at night? I dont think so. I believe that simply carrying a pistol( and being able to use it) is protection enough, yes.
bordsnbikes wrote:
"For the people who didnt change"
Being an armed and aware citizen, like so many here, what steps beyond the ones we have taken already would make us "prepared"?
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...I think the difference is not between living in fear or complacency...I think it's more asking ourselves what our level of commitment/involvement is...am I interested in protecting only myself? My family? My neighborhood? My workplace? Am I willing to be an armed citizen and take the offensive in a terrorist attack, or would I go gather up my family and stay away from it?Would I intervene in an armed robbery?A rape? A carjacking? Once we take the time to decide what our personal involvement level will be, we can arm ourselves accordingly...threads like these help us think and decide...what's right for me may not be right for anyone else here...it's an individual's right to choose...this thread sure does get us thinking about it, though...that's a good thing....
...I think the difference is not between living in fear or complacency...I think it's more asking ourselves what our level of commitment/involvement is...am I interested in protecting only myself? My family? My neighborhood? My workplace? Am I willing to be an armed citizen and take the offensive in a terrorist attack, or would I go gather up my family and stay away from it?Would I intervene in an armed robbery?A rape? A carjacking? Once we take the time to decide what our personal involvement level will be, we can arm ourselves accordingly...threads like these help us think and decide...what's right for me may not be right for anyone else here...it's an individual's right to choose...this thread sure does get us thinking about it, though...that's a good thing....
altajava
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Anyone change their habits since the attacks in India?
Short answer is no. Ever sinceI got my first dirt bike in 1990,I've carried a first aid kit that would make EMS envious. As far as firearms go, I've cut back to one sidearm. I do not want to admit what I carried for over six months beginning the morning of September 11,2001. Although my mindset has not changed since that morning.
Anyone change their habits since the attacks in India?
Short answer is no. Ever sinceI got my first dirt bike in 1990,I've carried a first aid kit that would make EMS envious. As far as firearms go, I've cut back to one sidearm. I do not want to admit what I carried for over six months beginning the morning of September 11,2001. Although my mindset has not changed since that morning.
Deanimator
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I was carrying every day before. I carry every day now.
I was carrying every day before. I carry every day now.