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Another call to action- Protest against DPD railroading another black open carrier.

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DETROIT POLICE/OPEN CARRY UPDATE: Another armed black man has fallen victim to Detroit Police's history of not respecting gun rights. Last year, Jeronie Stanford was walking down a sidewalk in Detroit while carrying his pistol out in the open for personal protection. In Michigan, this action is perfectly legal, assuming you legally own your pistol. Someone who did not know the law called 9-1-1 on Stanford after seeing his openly holstered pistol, and Detroit Police arrived soon thereafter. They arrested him instantly for Carrying a Concealed Weapon (CCW), a FIVE-YEAR FELONY. After coercing identification from Stanford, the police found an old curfew ticket from years ago that Stanford allegedly never paid. The ticket turned out to be the perfect legal excuse for the unlawful arrest for the police. They seized his legally registered pistol and refused to release it to him. They never formally charged Stanford with CCW. After recently applying for employment, he was declined because the felony arrest showed up on his background check, even though he was never formally charged with CCW. In essence, he is in limbo: he cannot get a job or replace his pistol, and they have not charged him with CCW.

Needless to say, we will be marching in Detroit, for our twelfth time, this Saturday the 21st at noon. More information can be obtained by contacting support@michigancarries.org
 

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Multiple.

The big picture problem is the pattern of criminal abuse from the city towards black men who oc, and the either arrogant and crooked or thoroughly incapable chief who calls himself pro gun. It needs to stop.
 
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Jackson? Holder? Sharpton? Obama? Anyone of the self-appointed "black leaders"?:confused:

Nothing but crickets there. Guess this case of racial discrimination isn't worthy of its own "hashtag" or national outrage movement demanding equal Rights for the African American community...
 
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Never mind the main stream black rights community, the main stream black and otherwise gun community isn't even concerned. We're not exactly deterred, but it'd be nice for more people to care that the dpd is feloniously and erroneously prosecuting black men, over and over, with no signs of stopping.
 

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Picnics, no, the days of picnics being useful activism are gone at least in Michigan, cops are now definitely smart enough to leave a picnic group alone. Muskegon was a great example of this. Meals are now good for conversation and little else. If we set up a picnic it'll be for fun and fun only, maybe coinciding with a litter clean up.

Marches we do relentlessly. There will be more in Detroit without question.
 

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Picnics, no, the days of picnics being useful activism are gone at least in Michigan, cops are now definitely smart enough to leave a picnic group alone. Muskegon was a great example of this. Meals are now good for conversation and little else. If we set up a picnic it'll be for fun and fun only, maybe coinciding with a litter clean up.

Marches we do relentlessly. There will be more in Detroit without question.
Sir,

Did I read somewhere that you met with the Chief? How did that go?

Also, I sent you a nice PM to which you never responded. Please consider doing so.
 

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I was invited but could not get there. Two other guys were. He stood behind the actions of cops in a circumstance where the evidence showed innocence. If a one time mistake, it'd be one thing. But it wasn't. It's an issue of wide spread, racially biased malicious prosecution.

I did get your pm, and I should have responded, but I probably read it later ay night and tired, and you wrote it in such a way that there wasn't much to say in return. Thank you for the insight in any case. :)
 

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It sounds like the current problem lies with the prosecutors office which has neither charged nor dismissed the matter. Apparently I'm not understanding Michigan procedure or am missing something.
 

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I was invited but could not get there. Two other guys were. He stood behind the actions of cops in a circumstance where the evidence showed innocence. If a one time mistake, it'd be one thing. But it wasn't. It's an issue of wide spread, racially biased malicious prosecution.

I did get your pm, and I should have responded, but I probably read it later ay night and tired, and you wrote it in such a way that there wasn't much to say in return. Thank you for the insight in any case. :)
Thanks for your reply.
 

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That old curfew ticket is all they needed to arrest him and seize the firearm. They will probably take their time actually bringing formal charges against him so, in the meantime, he is treated as if he has actually committed the felony of CCW. I don't see this being resolved any time soon, unfortunately.
 

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I know what you're going through

Did you read the police report concerning the incident when they stopped Stanford? I guarantee they lied in it and those lies uphold them stealing the gun.

It sounds like this problem has NOTHING to do with OC. The problem is the Detroit Police Department and criminals with badges...

LONG story short:
I had a false report written against me by DPD. I was stopped while walking my dog at night, carrying concealed. Shortly after being disarmed, I was assaulted while handcuffed in the back of the car. He took my phone and called my mother to pick up my dog. Was taken to the hospital because I was bleeding, I guess.

Later, went to the precinct to get my gun. Was given the opportunity to read the report those fools wrote up on me. It was a fictional story from the first sentence. Gun was never returned. Given the report they wrote, I should have had multiple charges. Was charged with nothing.
Also, while at the hospital, the LEO who assaulted me was spreading lies to all the hospital staff and the security guards. The hospital reports stated "they found a gun on me". It was utterly ridiculous.

I filed an report with DPD Internal Affairs. I don't remember the conclusion... IIRC it concluded that the police were not 100% justified.

I spoke to 4-5 lawyers. They all basically came down to it being 2 cops against my word so no one helped me. Also, I felt some of the lawyers didn't believe or something.
It was mentally exhausting to recount the events with all these people. Depression was killing me. I dealt this the situation and the depression by forgetting about it.

I should have called Figer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Sad to say but it is necessary for all who OC/CC or ever go out in public to wear & use multiple recording devices. In today's U.S.A. Without video/audio it is nearly impossible to prove your innocence in a court of law. The days of 'innocent until proven guilty' have long passed, it seems. Replaced all to often with presumed guilty, unless you can prove otherwise. :(
 

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Prevention is key

My intention with sharing my story was to show that I went through the same ****. I don't want to hijack this thread. BTW, that happened over 4 years ago (3year statute of limitations).

I'm interested to know what the report says about Stanford's situation. Please inform us.

In the past several years, I have learned that prevention is key.

I agree with FreeinAZ. But I have yet to find a recording device that I don't mind wearing. I'm going to ask a police chief I know what body cams they wear, but I'm sure the cost is going to be ridiculously high.
 
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