cloudcroft
Campaign Veteran
SUPA DUPA 1
Once again (everyone): I didn't say YOU did say or not say anything, I was speaking in general about MANY people out there stopped by cops and they certainly DO talk themselves into getting arrested and going to jail (happens A LOT here in the Greater Houston Metroplex and those people SHOULD be in jail). Like I said earlier, just ask the cops how people's mouths get them into trouble.
Using that quote of mine (out of context) makes me look like I was and for sure saying YOUR mouth got you into trouble in THI Sparticular incident -- I don't know as I wasn't there to hear what what you said or how (tone, body language, etc.) you said it -- so again, I am not addressing YOUR particular incident.
As for the cops, and even though it may be perfectly legal to do so, I do not "debate" with them if they ask for ID, I just give it. Flame me for encouraging them to "violate my rights" if you want, but I'd rather not make an incident where I am stopped (for whatever reason) any more difficult than it has to be, so both I and they can move on. If it went FURTHER than that, and I thought the cops were grossly out of line, then rest assured that I SURE WOULD do something about it -- but not there on the scene...just note names & details so I could make a formal complaint later. And if the cops got physically rough with me -- and I believed them to be acting excessively ("police brutality") -- I honestly can't say what I would do.
I'm only speaking for myself then, I am not criticizing YOU for whatever your said/did not say...I don't know, wasn't there (and no one else here was, either). Still, *I* do not see any reason not to "co-operate" with the cops on the EXTREMELY RARE occasions I am stopped for whatever reason. And I certainly don't want to escalate things with guys with guns & backup easily called (and probably already on its way). A citizen vs. cops at a stop in some street or parking lot isn't likely to win anyway.
So I just co-operate, be polite, and see the incident through. If I feel wronged, I will decide what to do AFTERWARDS And even if I DID feel they had no right to ask for my ID as I (TMK) was doing nothing worng, I could still make a formal complaint on THAT issue -- but again, AFTERWARDS.
...but maybe that's just me. Other people when stopped by cops can respond however THEY wish.
P.S. Also once again, let me say I am NOT sticking up for BAD cops who bully, intimidate (or worse) or knowingly violate the law and a citizen's civil rights: THEY need to experience some SERIOUS consequences -- then afterwards be fired. But that's another topic...
Once again (everyone): I didn't say YOU did say or not say anything, I was speaking in general about MANY people out there stopped by cops and they certainly DO talk themselves into getting arrested and going to jail (happens A LOT here in the Greater Houston Metroplex and those people SHOULD be in jail). Like I said earlier, just ask the cops how people's mouths get them into trouble.
Using that quote of mine (out of context) makes me look like I was and for sure saying YOUR mouth got you into trouble in THI Sparticular incident -- I don't know as I wasn't there to hear what what you said or how (tone, body language, etc.) you said it -- so again, I am not addressing YOUR particular incident.
As for the cops, and even though it may be perfectly legal to do so, I do not "debate" with them if they ask for ID, I just give it. Flame me for encouraging them to "violate my rights" if you want, but I'd rather not make an incident where I am stopped (for whatever reason) any more difficult than it has to be, so both I and they can move on. If it went FURTHER than that, and I thought the cops were grossly out of line, then rest assured that I SURE WOULD do something about it -- but not there on the scene...just note names & details so I could make a formal complaint later. And if the cops got physically rough with me -- and I believed them to be acting excessively ("police brutality") -- I honestly can't say what I would do.
I'm only speaking for myself then, I am not criticizing YOU for whatever your said/did not say...I don't know, wasn't there (and no one else here was, either). Still, *I* do not see any reason not to "co-operate" with the cops on the EXTREMELY RARE occasions I am stopped for whatever reason. And I certainly don't want to escalate things with guys with guns & backup easily called (and probably already on its way). A citizen vs. cops at a stop in some street or parking lot isn't likely to win anyway.
So I just co-operate, be polite, and see the incident through. If I feel wronged, I will decide what to do AFTERWARDS And even if I DID feel they had no right to ask for my ID as I (TMK) was doing nothing worng, I could still make a formal complaint on THAT issue -- but again, AFTERWARDS.
...but maybe that's just me. Other people when stopped by cops can respond however THEY wish.
P.S. Also once again, let me say I am NOT sticking up for BAD cops who bully, intimidate (or worse) or knowingly violate the law and a citizen's civil rights: THEY need to experience some SERIOUS consequences -- then afterwards be fired. But that's another topic...
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