March on Washington 07-04-2013

eye95 · May 21, 2013

sudden valley gunner said:
We can check the quartering of troops too.

If you get the same effect by doing it under another guise it does not change the intent of what is being done.

I.E. Socialism is the state running and owning things........but when the government makes so many laws that you as a business owner are effectively a manager of your business, it is socialism by proxy....and I say it's still socialism.

Just because we don't have troops, cops, federal and state agents quartered physically in our homes does not mean we are not quartering them in the sense we are forced to pay to not only house and feed them, but we pay for their whole family, we are taxed to pay their other off duty activities too and to educate their kids, to pay for their retirement at an early age, etc........

No. You can't check that one. That amendment was written in response to a very specific grievance. The King was requiring that colonists quarter his troops in their homes. That is not happening now.

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JmE · May 21, 2013

freedomwriter said:
DC belongs to free american citizens, but freedom can be taken away faster just by abusing it. mobs abuse thier freedom;

Are you firmly behind that statement? When does the free exercise of rights (freedom) become legitimate reason for the exercise of those rights to be inhibited? If the reason is illegitimate then that is tyranny.

They aren't rights if one needs government permission. If permission is needed then they are privileges.

eye95 · May 21, 2013

Tucker6900 said:
Its obvious that you and I disagree, but let me ask you this.

After reading the last three pages of this thread, it appears that you require the .gov to "march" on us before we make a stand, correct? ...

No. Not correct. I am pointing to the government marching on us to take away our arms as one example of a WITCOHE moment, and specifically pointing out that our marching on them, instigating a response, is not.

Thank you for actually asking. Many here just imply that I said something other than what I did.

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eye95 · May 21, 2013

JmE said:
Again I'll ask...

If y'all are trying to get an unarmed protest or an armed gathering on the VA side of the bridge or whatever to counterbalance the march, why not leave it at a protest of DC tyranny? Why does it have to be a denouncement of Kokesh and those people who are marching? ...

Because I believe with all my heart and all my mind that Kokesh is trying to start a war, trying to destroy the only system on Earth that has a chance of promoting Liberty--maybe stupidly thinking that the system that replaces it will be less oppressive, more likely because he is all about self-aggrandizement.

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eye95 · May 21, 2013

JmE said:
...Eye95, how are you going to break free of tyranny if you won't violate unjust laws? ...

I never said I wouldn't. Again (and again), we are not at a WITCOHE moment. If we ever get there, I will break the hell out of the law.

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JmE · May 21, 2013

eye95 said:
Many here just imply that I said something other than what I did.

Or they simply and honestly misunderstood.

JmE · May 21, 2013

eye95 said:
I never said I wouldn't. Again (and again), we are not at a WITCOHE moment. If we ever get there, I will break the hell out of the law.

That's good to hear. Just make sure you give me a heads up when that happens so I don't accidentally tell you if I plan on breaking some unjust law before your line in the sand so you don't turn me in. See something, say something and all that. :lol:

eye95 · May 21, 2013

JmE said:
Or they simply and honestly misunderstood.

It is certain posters, and it happens way too often with those posters. They ain't that stupid. They are employing strawmen.

Usually, with most posters, you point out that they misrepresented what you said, and they acknowledge the mistake. With some, you call them on the misrepresentation and they argue that you said what you did not. It's not just here. It is a common message board tactic used by dishonest people to "win" a discussion.

If I ever mistakenly misrepresent anything someone says here, call me on it. I don't want to do that.

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JmE · May 21, 2013

eye95 said:
Because I believe with all my heart and all my mind that Kokesh is trying to start a war, trying to destroy the only system on Earth that has a chance of promoting Liberty--maybe stupidly thinking that the system that replaces it will be less oppressive, more likely because he is all about self-aggrandizement.

But in your zeal to get at him you run the risk of harming so many other people. Is he really worth that to you.

(joking beyond this point!)

Are ya going to have him stuffed and mounted and hanging in your den or something? :lol:

Thundar · May 21, 2013

freedomwriter said:
marching on DC withloaded weapons is very risky. the new administation is almost like a mob, and this is a turf war. DC belongs to free american citizens, but freedom can be taken away faster just by abusing it. mobs abuse thier freedom; are you abusing your freedom by marching?

You are very loose with your language. What is the difference between a mob and an assembly?

To answer your question very directly: No of course not. People do not abuse their freedom by marching, they exercise their right.

JmE · May 21, 2013

One of my buddies just sent me this (it was the Pope, eye95)... I haven't watched the video yet and have to run somewhere.

http://freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2013/05/adam-kokesh-is-tied-to-obama-at-last.html

The screen capture reveals that Adam Kokesh's Facebook page, as late as May 8th 2013, had displayed the information that Kokesh, from March 2011 to present, was directly employed by Obama For America. The page has been since taken down, then reappeared in an altered form with the information purged. Kokesh himself was reported to have responded with derision, but made no effort to deny or disprove the posted data.

ETA: I've had a chance to see the video now. IMHO it's unsubstantiated. The rest is his whining about why the march shouldn't happen. I stopped watching about midway.

WalkingWolf · May 21, 2013

JmE said:
One of my buddies just sent me this (it was the Pope, eye95)... I haven't watched the video yet and have to run somewhere.

http://freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2013/05/adam-kokesh-is-tied-to-obama-at-last.html

As far as I could see it was a video blog by a tinfoil hat nut case. A face book capture can easily be manipulated, and he did not even provide a close up of the capture. Another internet commando, similar to the control issues person that forwarded it to you.

If he is going to make such a claim, why did he enlist you to do it, instead of being a man, and doing it himself? The more he goes on, the more he represents himself as a progressive.

JmE · May 21, 2013

WalkingWolf said:
Another internet commando, similar to the control issues person that forwarded it to you.

The man who forwarded that to me is a stand up guy and not just in the area of rights. Him and I were involved in the Liberty movement in the 1990s. You have no idea so please stop assuming.

WalkingWolf said:
If he is going to make such a claim, why did he enlist you to do it, instead of being a man, and doing it himself? The more he goes on, the more he represents himself as a progressive.

He is not on this forum and he sent it for me to view. I just thought it might be worth a look. We are like brothers as we've been through much together. You need to chill on that stuff, bub.

ETA: NOW I have a chance to view the video for myself...
ETA: Yep, the video is a waste of time, IMHO.

WalkingWolf · May 21, 2013

JmE said:
The man who forwarded that to me is a stand up guy and not just in the area of rights. Him and I were involved in the Liberty movement in the 1990s. You have no idea so please stop assuming.

He is not on this forum and he sent it for me to view. I just thought it might be worth a look. We are like brothers as we've been through much together. You need to chill on that stuff, bub.

ETA: NOW I have a chance to view the video for myself...

I did get the impression that the person who sent it was a member who is posting in the thread. My apologies on that, but no where in that video could I read what he claimed. It may be true, but he clearly put up no evidence that it was true. I just don't take blogs as proof of anything. But to still be honest it came across as a tin foil hat video blog. Sorry that it is your friend, but sometimes telling it the way it is just has to be done.

Thundar · May 21, 2013

I do not like Obama, but what relevance does the past associations of one man to Obama have to do with the exercise of fundamental rights in the federal district?

WalkingWolf · May 21, 2013

Thundar said:
I do not like Obama, but what relevance does the past associations of one man to Obama have to do with the exercise of fundamental rights in the federal district?

IMO there is not sufficient proof to even make that claim, but you are correct, it has nothing to do with it. If we go with gut feelings there are several members here that post like they are on Obama's team.

JmE · May 21, 2013

No problem, WalkingWolf. It's all cool and thank you.

My friend's filter is usually a lot better about what he sends me. While he's a heck of a sniper, I don't think he posts on any forums (or even reads any??). The video is, IMHO, a waste of time and I apologize for posting it.

ETA: Just to clarify, the friend who sent the link is not the person who made the blog. I don't think my friend has a blog or ever had one. He wrote training pieces for Patriot newsletters in print (mailed & faxed) before internet proliferation.

JamesCanby · May 21, 2013

joanie said:
Humanity is on the Brink of Something Amazing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suOds5C4DI8

This goes futher than the 1st, the 2ed, and even the most attacked right, the 4th. This is about the direction, the future of humanity. Will we do what humans are meant to do? freely evolve. Or will be be locked into slavery and just the reverse, de-evolve.

Whatever or whoever else Adam Kokesh might be or claim to be, I truly believe he does not intend, or hope for a violent outcome to this. Corpratist government are killing us in our food, water and medicine, then outlawing any other kind, yes, people have been arrested for having their own garden. 9/11 was an inside job, a false flag to justify wars, killing, and the taking of our freedoms. They see a future of RDIF chips inplanted under our skin, and forced vaccinnes that sterilize us and shorten our life, compromise our health, so we would be dependant on big government. In today's word of over 7 billion people, being a slave isn't enough. They have no use for 7 billion slaves, That means mass depopulation on a scale few con imagine. They have it already marked out, the 10 FEMA reagions, people labled by colors, red being the hot targets and so on. BTW, I would be in the red catogory because I speak out against this. But being the first to be killed, I will be amoung the lucky ones. There is no future if we don't expose and beat this tyranny.

I don't know if this march is the best thing to do, but I do know that something needs to be done, people need to be shaken out of their comas. Awoken to the truth. Again, I fully endorse and support this, I hope it goes well, and, if it don't, I'm 99.9 percent sure it will be the fault of police and government, not those with Adam.

Wow. I was giving everyone who supported this 'event' the benefit of the doubt as to their beliefs and convictions ... even after reading what Kokesh said about 'overthrowing the government' ... but then I read your post containing references to 9/11 as an "inside job," RDIF chips being implanted, plans for mass depopulation ... and now understand how you would come to support this idiotic 'event.' I can't imagine how much tinfoil it must have taken to create the hat you wear.

Grapeshot · May 21, 2013

JamesCanby said:
Wow. I was giving everyone who supported this 'event' the benefit of the doubt as to their beliefs and convictions ... even after reading what Kokesh said about 'overthrowing the government' ... but then I read your post containing references to 9/11 as an "inside job," RDIF chips being implanted, plans for mass depopulation ... and now understand how you would come to support this idiotic 'event.' I can't imagine how much tinfoil it must have taken to create the hat you wear.

Don't have any idea how much or how little might be required

More to the point, let us not bend to insult - it leaves one's nether parts accessible :uhoh:

Tucker6900 · May 21, 2013

Grapeshot said:
Don't have any idea how much or how little might be required

More to the point, let us not bend to insult - it leaves one's nether parts accessible :uhoh:

I have a huge head, so alot.

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