Badger Johnson
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http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/lxa4t/read_now_judge_william_adams_abused_daughter/
If true, I hope he gets what's coming to him.
If true, I hope he gets what's coming to him.
What he did was wrong. No child should be beat like that. That is not discipline, that is outright abuse. If I saw someone do that trust me they would regret it. Chances are he has beat his children before like that. No child should be beat like that.
I could critique the judge's disciplinary process, but I don't think that is the most important point. The most important point here is that children are being encouraged to "tell" on their parent. Betraying the family trust is the destruction of the family. Parents beware!!! These days it's even more important for parents to understand how technology can be used to undermine their authority.
Yeah, kids that are being sexually molested, violently abused, or otherwise treated in a sub human fashion shouldn't ever tell anyone if the person doing those actions is their "parent".
Yeah, kids that are being sexually molested, violently abused, or otherwise treated in a sub human fashion shouldn't ever tell anyone if the person doing those actions is their "parent".
Let me clarify... shouldn't tell anyone in GOVERNMENT. It's a family issue. The government has no business in family affairs in a free country. Also, keep in mind that child abuse is a complicated problem. The last thing we need is the government getting involved. It will make things worse... giving the government the power to define child abuse.
Let me clarify... shouldn't tell anyone in GOVERNMENT. It's a family issue. The government has no business in family affairs in a free country. Also, keep in mind that child abuse is a complicated problem. The last thing we need is the government getting involved. It will make things worse... giving the government the power to define child abuse.
Who, then, should they tell? Who is going to be the voice for those who, so very many times, have no voice? Do the children/wives wait until their mothers/fathers/husbands put them in the hospital or kill them? No, I'm not overstating the problem as I've personally seen it too many times.
Yes, we want a free country and less governmental involvement in our daily lives, but, no, spousal/child abuse is not solely a family matter..
For what it is worth, no teenage girl should be beaten as that girl was. I have no problems with a spanking, but that was, IMNSHO, a brutal, sadistic beating. From what I read, he also abused his wife and she has since left him. The video, again from what I read, is several years old.
And when the family is a bunch of idiots or abusees who think physical punishment is an effective means of discipline, despite ample studies and evidence showing that it's not?.
Physical punishment to correct children is a lot like talking to the cops without a lawyer: there is nothing gained by doing it that cannot be better done in another way. About the only thing it has the potential to do is make you feel better in the short run, despite its overall negative consequences.
Who they tell is a case by case issue. Every family is different. Just like so many other problems in life, there is NO perfect solution. However, thinking that governmmnet intervention will help is naive.
No, there is no perfect solution to any problem. But where do we draw the line on abuse? I've seen too many children, spouses (yes, men, too), and elderly brought into emergency rooms with everything from severe bruising to multiple broken bones to life-threatening injuries. I've also seen far too many who were DOA at the emergency room.
If we want a free country then we must accept the lack of saftey that freedom affords us... It MUST be a family mater.
As an adult, I can accept both the freedom and the lack of safety. That does not give me the right to accept on the behalf of my, or anyone else's, children, spouse, or elderly parents. As an adult, I also will not stand by silently and watch someone else viciously beat their child or their wife/husband or parents. That is part of being a moral human being.
I disagree with your assessment. Who gets to decide what is a "legal" spanking? I'm sure opinions would range from "don't touch the child" to "wack'em in the head with a stump". Only the family can decide what is the correct method.
And who decides when one or both parents are vicious, controlling, abusers? Do you, as a moral human being, say, "Oh, it's a family matter. Let the parents decide"? Or do you, as a part of a civilized society, cause measures to be taken to protect those who cannot protect themselves?
The studies and evidence you speak of is irrelevant. It is NOT possible to have the necessary controls to turn this into a scientific analysis. Besides... what parent would want to EXPERIMENT with their child. Prompt, appropriate discipline works most of the time. Why fix what is not broken?
Sorry if I come across as preachy on this subject, but you can't work in an ER, as I did many years ago, and see the results of abuse and not have some very strong opinions about it..
As concerns spanking, and I realize there are a lot of different opinions, to me, the object was not to inflict severe physical pain on the child and I never allowed myself to hit one of mine hard enough to cause that pain. It is more about using only that amount of force necessary to get the child's undivided attention. It is also an extreme last resort. I didn't like doing it and only did it when nothing else got the child's attention.
You know, I've provided citations before that show where my view comes from. You have ranted and made unfounded assertions based on your own desire to justify hitting kids. Until you provide a cite that directly addresses the issue, I will continue to say you're full of crap.
So a guy whipping his daughter is supposed to be ok because they are family??? How does that make a difference? .
I grew up in the get your hide tanned if you screwed up and even had physical abuse because of it. What would you think of him doing this to a dog. A swat on those nose is one thing. To keep hitting after and seeming to take a break to start up again is abuse.
No, you don't. Your posts have repeatedly demonstrated the fact that you understand the limitations of what you assume or perceive to be science.I understand the limitaions of science.
The American Academy of Pediatrics concludes: "Corporal punishment is of limited effectiveness and has potentially deleterious side effects. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that parents be encouraged and assisted in the development of methods other than spanking for managing undesired behavior" (2, p. 723).
Physical punishment may seem the best
solution for managing a child’s most
challenging or upsetting behaviors. It may
even seem like the only solution for serious
misbehavior. But child behavior research
shows that there are actually far more
effective methods of discipline. Spanking
may work temporarily to stop children’s
problem behaviors, but it may not change
their behavior in the long run.
Despite the widespread discouragement of use from many pediatricians, psychologists, and others,11,15,22–24 there are some individuals who advise parents to spank as an appropriate and necessary child-rearing technique.25–28
These findings compare with prior research that suggests punitive discipline may make children immediately compliant – but may reduce the likelihood that they will internalize rules and standards. That, in turn, may result in lower self-control as children get older.
“This study demonstrates that corporal punishment does not teach children how to behave or improve their learning,” said researcher Victoria Talwar, Ph.D., of McGill University.
“In the short term, it may not have any negative effects; but if relied upon over time it does not support children’s problem-solving skills, or their abilities to inhibit inappropriate behaviour or to learn.”