How do you justify OC?

[joanie]

I shouldn't have to justify it, but I will for the benifit of the op.

1- Personal freedom, and God given free will. I don't like being told I can't or shouldn't. I'm a free thinking woman who can make my own choices without interferance.

2- Fashon statment, I'm proud, not ashamed of my gun/s. They are not some dirty little secret I want to hide from the world. Like those two model 36s with 3inch barrels. I put matching pink grips on them and am looking for a pair of left and right holsters that will show them off in all their glory. Probibly drop leg or crossdraw.

3- Also, like you, the deterent factor. I'd rather prevent, or not have to use it, or them. One of the drawbacks of this ammo shortage, is it prevents me from enough practice. Im right handed, but since I plan on carrying a pair of revolvers, I wanted to get really good at shooting single handed and with both hands. I'm gonna need practice for that.

Side note- The only way I'd consider carrying a semi auto chambered, is if it had a decocking hammer, and maybe a safety as well. I won't rely on a safety alone.

 

[conandan]

Why justify OC...

I don't have to justify it. I OC because I CHOOSE to, not because I need to. And nobody has to justify there rights.

 

[MAC702]

This thread is started on the wrong premise.

There is NO need to justify OC.

There may be a need, however, to justify concealing a firearm. That is why states like NV outlawed concealing firearms, later allowing exceptions with a permit, but have NEVER addressed open carry.

 

[eye95]

I am convinced that the real purpose behind allowing, but regulating, CC is to regulate carry. Once they convinced the People to conceal with a permission slip, the People were fooled into believing that CC was the Right--and that it was a privilege that the State could regulate. OC is not OC; it is C. It is unadorned Carry. It is the simple exercise of the Right.

Screw CC. Fight for the Right to Carry. After that battle has been won, then it is time to fix problems with concealment law.

 

[marshaul]

I am convinced that the real purpose behind allowing, but regulating, CC is to regulate carry. Once they convinced the People to conceal with a permission slip, the People were fooled into believing that CC was the Right--and that it was a privilege that the State could regulate. OC is not OC; it is C. It is unadorned Carry. It is the simple exercise of the Right.

Your logic is still flawed. If "concealing" a carried gun is a specific action, then so too may be "displaying" it. Your assignation of open carry to default "unadorned carry" status is wholly arbitrary.

And that's the big lie, the one you've bought into yourself: that a right may be subject to such arbitrary definition and restriction either way. You continuously neglect states like Texas (which everyone and their brother mistakenly considers a pro-gun state), which prohibit open carry outright and require a permit for all concealed carry, and where folks are convinced wholesale that that is somehow in accordance with right.

That there is a legal/historical "preference" for unlicensed open carry over concealed is nothing but the legacy of Jim Crow: since "concealed is concealed", you can simply not enforce the law against white people (or, in the modern day, not subject them to a level of harassment which will deter most people anyway). It's what happened to Jim Crow after the 14th amendment. This is not the sort of history and reason which deserves to to be championed, to justify anything at all, or even to be preserved in the spirit of conservatism. It's something to be relegated to the dustbin of history, where it belongs.

Finally, your argument is the weaker one. You try to argue that we're somehow strengthening our position by adopting your illogic. Unfortunately, as it's illogical, this is obviously false. Self-evidently, such logic weakens our case and our cause. Based on your incessant repetition of it, I can only presume there is something more important to you than a strong, unbridled 2nd amendment bolstered by the most rigorous, unimpeachable logic.

No, there's no reason to dilute our argument with such arbitrary and illogical complications, just because you champion the legacy of Jim Crow. The winning argument is the second amendment. Perhaps you can recall its precise text; it is, after all, very, very simple.

You weaken our cause with your unnecessary, arbitrary, and textually unsupported baloney. For this reason, every time I see you make this specious argument, I will post a lengthy rebuttal. It's crap, and I won't see it adopted by the RKBA community as a whole, if I have anything at all to say about it.

I wish, at the very least, you'd refine your incredibly weak argument, again for the sake of a strong RKBA bolstered by the best arguments (illogic makes us all look bad). You know, debate the point. Because what we have now is a cycle of you repeating your argument, me pointing out its utter fallacy about one sentence, and then ranting at your stubbornness for 15 minutes.

 

[Chief1297]

To make my butt look smaller...

 

[hermannr]

I OC for the deterrent effect. You are much less likely to need your weapon if you are Visibly armed. That is why LE OC's almost exclusively.

 

[MackTheKnife]

Must be a derringer up the sleeve

I've never felt the need to justify something I didn't think was offensive.

Now, concealing? That's another story, why would anyone want to conceal something? Robbers and thugs conceal, riverboat gamblers conceal, people who are up to no good conceal.

A riverboat gambler must have a derringer up his sleeve and a couple of aces up the other.

 

[GoDavyGo]

"Because its the most effective tool to protect myself with when no one else can."- Mr. Colin Noir

 

[Mike_James]

If you happen to be some of ur younger readers....In the 18-21 Y/O cat....It is legal to OC, but not CC. It's the best way for one of our younger patriots to protect themselves and others...

I am 18, and ALWAYS OC no matter where i am going!:lol:

 

[sraacke]

Why I OC?
As a form of firearms community diplomacy, to dispel the myth that only cops and criminals carry guns, and to help reintroduce the general public and the law enforcement community to the reality that ordinary peaceful law-abiding citizens possess, use, and carry firearms.

 

[Grimbleton]

I don't justify any of my actions.

 

[Etkini]

Why I OC?
As a form of firearms community diplomacy, to dispel the myth that only cops and criminals carry guns, and to help reintroduce the general public and the law enforcement community to the reality that ordinary peaceful law-abiding citizens possess, use, and carry firearms.

I agree with this, and is part of my reason for carrying. I really have too many reasons to list, but if I had to narrow it down to a few, it would be that it's what I'm used to and comfortable with as I used to work for a sheriff's department.

Yes, I get stares. Yes, I get the (very) occasional "is that plastic or real?" which is always met with a smile and "yes, it's real." I feel it's been a deterrent as well - I've had some rather questionable-looking folks turn around and walk away when they noticed the giant brick on my hip. I've also had some (mainly they are) very positive interactions, and actually had a 30 minute conversation about a week ago with a business owner and a clerk about firearms and handguns, and was able to give him some suggestions on a first firearm, a good FFL, and offered to train either\both of them in the use when they got them; plus I got a free coffee out of it.

I also suppose I can say I do it just because I can; my state doesn't try to make me pay for a right. Like the quote above, I feel if more people see a friendly-looking fellow who's not dressed in black with a badge carrying and just going about his daily business, that more people will see that those little inanimate objects aren't so bad after all when in the hands of a responsible owner.

 

[Vwfinatic273]

OC

I don't justify it anymore than I do why I breathe air. Open carry is no different than carrying a multi-tool on your belt. A firearm is also a tool and when you need it, it's there. It is a deterrent as well as something you'd rather have and not need then to need and not have. I open carry almost everyday while I practice my other freedoms, no reason for justification.

 

[Elm Creek Smith]

I've never felt the need to justify something I didn't think was offensive.

Now, concealing? That's another story, why would anyone want to conceal something? Robbers and thugs conceal, riverboat gamblers conceal, people who are up to no good conceal.

Hey! I wear pants, too. Some things need to be concealed!

That said, I generally open carry off duty. Since I have my Oklahoma Handgun License, I can carry open or concealed. This way, if I need to throw a jacket on or take it off, I don't have to change out my method of carry. My choice is OWB holsters.

ECS

 

[3FULLMAGS+1]

I've never thought much about really trying to "justify" my openly carry'in a firearm (or consealing one either. for that matter). I openly carry my firearm more these days out of convenience, and conceal when I feel it's better to do so (situational). Openly carrying does have, what I call an advacacy (sorry for the spelling) element to it. It does start conversation which , most of the time, leads to education. It amazes me how little people know about their rights concerning firearms!

 

[mjcromp]

I agree with VWfinatic. 99% of the time when I leave my house I have a SOG knife and multi tool case that mounts horizontally across my back on my belt. Out of the way. My gun is just as much of a tool as my SOG is. If I choose to OC my gun sits on my right hip in my holster. Sometimes I will cover over it with my shirt and sometimes not.

 

[Elm Creek Smith]

Just thought about this: We don't have to justify something that is perfectly legal.

ECS

Sent from my little slice of Heaven.

 

[hogeaterf6]

I do cause its alot easier then trying to conceal. When I ride its under my vest so for the most part its concealed. I will CC when I go into bars or tt clubs, unless my vest is on. I use my BUG as my primary in tt bars since its easier to hide at 7 o'clock.

 

[7om5hipp]

It is faster to draw from OC rather then try to reach into my pants or shirt. As for dealing with people who ask why I carry, simple. When something bad happens the cops will not be there, I will.