visitor- open carry - escorted out of Holliday Inn??

[azcdlfred]

What if it turns out later that the property owner had no objections to the people being on his property? What if the property owner feels he lost business because the police acted on their own in such a matter?

Key phrase in ARS 13-1502.A.1 is "unlawfully entering." If the business owner has a "no guns" policy and the cops are aware of it and they spot a person wearing a gun, they can initiate the "trespass" and ask the person to leave.

In the situation at the Gem Show, odds are there was a policy in place by the Holiday Inn for the gem show that may or may not have been posted.

If the Holiday Inn did not have any "no firearms" policy then the cops were exceeding their authority. This is the unintended consequences of a law making it easier to grab Undocumented Democrats allowing law enforcement to act in place of property owners.

Same thing happened in 1997 when, at the request of law enforcement, "innocent until guilty" was abolished in self-defense situations and resulted in a retired school teacher becoming a convicted murderer when he defended himself against an unarmed attacker.

Fred

 

[FreeInAZ]

Dear God! After reading through those documents, I am literally sick to my stomach. This could of happened to anyone. We as citizens need to VERY AWARE of what those we have entrusted our freedom to are doing with that power. This is a truly terrifying story of what appears to be a complete injustice.

 

[azcdlfred]

Dear God! After reading through those documents, I am literally sick to my stomach. This could of happened to anyone. We as citizens need to VERY AWARE of what those we have entrusted our freedom to are doing with that power. This is a truly terrifying story of what appears to be a complete injustice.

If you are talking about the Harold Fish case, it was a horrible injustice.

AzCDL managed to get "innocent until proven guilty" restored, via legislation, during his trial, but the judge elected to use the old law and Harold was found guilty. It took us a few more years to get a bill passed that made the new law retroactive to Harold's (and others like his) case. Sadly he died not long after being released from prison.

This is why "we" can't sit around with our collective thumbs in our ass waiting for a white knight to rescue us. Not working to defeat those who want to strip you of your rights is the same as supporting those same people.

Join AzCDL!

Fred

 

[FreeInAZ]

If you are talking about the Harold Fish case, it was a horrible injustice.

AzCDL managed to get "innocent until proven guilty" restored, via legislation, during his trial, but the judge elected to use the old law and Harold was found guilty. It took us a few more years to get a bill passed that made the new law retroactive to Harold's (and others like his) case. Sadly he died not long after being released from prison.

This is why "we" can't sit around with our collective thumbs in our ass waiting for a white knight to rescue us. Not working to defeat those who want to strip you of your rights is the same as supporting those same people.

Join AzCDL!

Fred

Yes I was talking about what Mr. Fish had to suffer through at the hands of what appeared to be: a bad prosecutor, a bad judge & bad investigators in this case. Hopefully most of them no longer serve "justice".

Your point above is one more US citizens need to heed. If not, something just like what happened to Mr. Fish could happen to them also. Thank you Fred and all in AzCDL for helping secure our freedoms.

 

[Rusty Young Man]

If you are talking about the Harold Fish case, it was a horrible injustice.

AzCDL managed to get "innocent until proven guilty" restored, via legislation, during his trial, but the judge elected to use the old law and Harold was found guilty. It took us a few more years to get a bill passed that made the new law retroactive to Harold's (and others like his) case. Sadly he died not long after being released from prison.

This is why "we" can't sit around with our collective thumbs in our ass waiting for a white knight to rescue us. Not working to defeat those who want to strip you of your rights is the same as supporting those same people.

Join AzCDL!

Fred

I'm not even done reading and my food doesn't exactly want to go down as it should.
1) HOW can so many people in the "justice" system be that corrupt (morally and otherwise?
2) HOW could they be allowed to work against a LAC who defended himself from someone with a history of commiting rape and other acts of violence?
3) HOW are people so ignorant about something as fundamental as jury nullification?
HOW could this happen?