Jordan6679
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Is it legal and or acceptable to open carry at a mall? Let's say a mall in tulsa. After see the mall seige of Kenya, my thoughts of malls have changed.
Is it legal and or acceptable to open carry at a mall? Let's say a mall in tulsa. After see the mall seige of Kenya, my thoughts of malls have changed.
It is technically legal to carry at the mall. However, the Tulsa malls have "no gun" signs. The signs do not have the weight of law. If the management or their representative ask you to leave, leave. If you refuse, a sworn law enforcement officer can be called. The officer will cite you for criminal trespass ($300) and arrest you if you continue to refuse to leave. This scenario is much more likely with open carry than concealed carry. Recent changes in the SDA clarified the "no gun" signs and policies.
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IIRC?
Thanks. These forums and their short language. Haha
It is technically legal to carry at the mall. However, the Tulsa malls have "no gun" signs. The signs do not have the weight of law. If the management or their representative ask you to leave, leave. If you refuse, a sworn law enforcement officer can be called. The officer will cite you for criminal trespass ($300) and arrest you if you continue to refuse to leave. This scenario is much more likely with open carry than concealed carry. Recent changes in the SDA clarified the "no gun" signs and policies.
www.concealedcarrycoweta.weebly.com
Here's something I have always wondered about. Supposing I'm carrying concealed and I walk into my bank who has a no guns sign on the door. While I'm in line or with the teller, someone comes in and holds up the bank. Same situation at a mall if someone pulls a gun somewhere in a mall with a no guns sign. Let's say I see a chance and I pull my gun and shoot the SOB dead.
What would happen to me? Would I still be cited for non-criminal tresspass or face other charges since I carried against the bank or mall's no gun policy?
With all the crap going on these days, I'd like to have a clear conscience should I need to come to someone's defense.
I would guess that if you were justified to shoot, there would not be anything to charge you with. Bank or mall policy are not law, just their policy. And if I read the trespass law corectly, you must be asked to leave and then refuse to do so, before you can be cited for trespassing.
But you never know when you will get a cop and or district attorney that has a beef with citizens carrying guns. They might try to trump up something on you, just to make your life hell for a while, until your lawyer beats it. I feel that most of the DA's and cops are pretty good guys and will do what is right and legal. But there is always that chance of running into a bad apple.
The "justified" thing comes in to play here, if I remember my class instruction correctly, you are not a law enforcement officer and would probably only be justified if you or your family were in imminent danger of being harmed. If the shooting was taking place a distance from you I don't think your are authorized to go in that direction and intervene. I know this sounds weird, but I think those are the rules.
A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
Title 21, Section 1289.25, Paragraph D reads as follows:
If you believe anyone around you will suffer death or great bodily harm, you may act. You have to remember that if you act on behalf of another person, you step into their shoes, so as long as they would have been able to defend themselves legally, you can defend them as well.
the Tulsa malls have "no gun" signs.]
Here's something I have always wondered about. Supposing I'm carrying concealed and I walk into my bank who has a no guns sign on the door. While I'm in line or with the teller, someone comes in and holds up the bank. Same situation at a mall if someone pulls a gun somewhere in a mall with a no guns sign. Let's say I see a chance and I pull my gun and shoot the SOB dead.
What would happen to me? Would I still be cited for non-criminal tresspass or face other charges since I carried against the bank or mall's no gun policy?
With all the crap going on these days, I'd like to have a clear conscience should I need to come to someone's defense.
Here's something I have always wondered about. Supposing I'm carrying concealed and I walk into my bank who has a no guns sign on the door. While I'm in line or with the teller, someone comes in and holds up the bank. Same situation at a mall if someone pulls a gun somewhere in a mall with a no guns sign. Let's say I see a chance and I pull my gun and shoot the SOB dead.
What would happen to me? Would I still be cited for non-criminal tresspass or face other charges since I carried against the bank or mall's no gun policy?
With all the crap going on these days, I'd like to have a clear conscience should I need to come to someone's defense.
Is it legal and or acceptable to open carry at a mall? Let's say a mall in tulsa. After see the mall seige of Kenya, my thoughts of malls have changed.