eye95
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June 9 is 34 days away. Why is it 41 days that you are counting?
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If Chicago (and everyplace else) can pass their own laws, then why is everyone counting down with such glee?I agree JT. HB997 started as an unpleasant but acceptable comprise with Chicago. It's not any more. We still have the FOID card so Illinois will not be Constitutional Carry . We will be more like Pennsylvania where we have a license to carry with the FOID card. I don't feel any particular need for 10 hours of training plus live fire plus duty to inform.
If Chicago (and everyplace else) can pass their own laws, then why is everyone counting down with such glee?
Within the last 6 months, the Belleville PD chief had an article in the local paper, the Belleville News-Democrat (bnd.com), in which he stated his support for CC. This is despite the fact that Madison & St. Clair counties have been described as "judicial hellholes" and both are very heavily Democratic (Chicago South heavy).
A couple of days ago, a BPD patrol officer was sitting in his cruiser in the shade of a tree in a parking lot. I pulled up beside him and asked if the Department has provided any instructions about the 6/9 deadline. He said "No" and he believed the Legislature would come up with "something" before they recess on 5/30. He also "warned" me not to try the injuction on/after the 9th. Time will tell.
18 days.
Which in itself is sickening - because a CCW law would eliminate any RIGHT to keep and bear arms while in IL, and turn it into a privilege....The only way Chicago can get around constitutional carry is to enact a concealed carry law before or after June 9th, and then it will have to meet the courts muster.
Which in itself is sickening - because a CCW law would eliminate any RIGHT to keep and bear arms while in IL, and turn it into a privilege.
I don't know - -I'm not trusting the courts to enforce constitutional carry, which is the logical outgrowth of the court's (7th Circuit?) ruling.
I'm puzzled as to why the Illinois RKBA orgs aren't saying (essentially) "Bite me!" - you jerks in $hitcago had your opportunity, now suck eggs!
I'm also puzzled as to why there hasn't been more discussion about what is going to be legal and illegal after June 9th...
This is a $hit sandwich if there every was one. How can Madigan shove something like this through when a bill which was substantially better came so close to passing? It makes no sense.Phelps AND Madigan announced a new joint concealed carry bill in Illinois today. (Madigan is the leader of the dark side.. Chicago Machine.. speaker of the house)...
This is a $hit sandwich if there every was one. How can Madigan shove something like this through when a bill which was substantially better came so close to passing? It makes no sense.
If it passes, it's a damn shame. The 60 votes needed to improve things can also be the 60 votes to make things worse - and am I wrong that they needed 60 votes to pass the better bill?
The whole thing blows major chunks.
This is a $hit sandwich if there every was one. How can Madigan shove something like this through when a bill which was substantially better came so close to passing? It makes no sense.
If it passes, it's a damn shame. The 60 votes needed to improve things can also be the 60 votes to make things worse - and am I wrong that they needed 60 votes to pass the better bill?
The whole thing blows major chunks.
Thanks for the detail.Because the bill preempt home rule it requires 71 votes to pass the house. Madigan is backing the current bill, which passed the house today, with 85 votes. madigan in his closing remarks said that he pulled 15 votes from the 997 bill originally written by Phelps. Our choses where this bill which could be better, but is doable, or the may issue, 40 hour training, with chicago having its own requirements.
There is 220 home rule units in Illinois, that could have there own carry rules, and the cliff was never an option, even though they said either a good bill or over the cliff. The truth is the pro 2a supporters where starting to cave, and if they didn't pass this bill, then they would vote for a may issue travesty. the bill that passed the house today is far from perfect, but will get full preemption of firearms laws statewide. That means no more Chicago firearm permit, no more cook county AWB ban, not more cook county magazine size requirements, no more cook county $25 firearm tax.
All firearms laws will have to go through the state legislature, so they could pass a statewide AWB, magazine ban, but Madigan has already proved he doesn't have the votes to pass either one. We even had reps, that would never vote for concealed carry, vote yes today, because Madigan said they had to.
Thanks for the detail.
What I still don't understand is why were the "pro" 2A people starting to cave? Just let it go off the cliff and see how the other side liked the "wild west" - then come back with something more reasonable than what passed today.
It seemed to me that the RKBA folks held all the cards - but still played defense instead of offense...???
VERY strange - but maybe I feel that way because I don't know all the details.
Gawd forbid the supposedly 2A lobbyists would let open carry become legal, then the people would expect to keep it. I wonder if this is what they fear over the cliff.
Not knowing exactly what the situation is in Hellinois, what you've said is exactly my point - what the $#@& is wrong the the IL RKBA people???Gawd forbid the supposedly 2A lobbyists would let open carry become legal, then the people would expect to keep it. I wonder if this is what they fear over the cliff.