detroit_fan
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If this is passed, and you take the class for PFZ exemptions, how much does it cost to get a new CPL with the exemption box checked? I thought I read somewhere $20, but I'm having trouble finding it now.
If this is passed, and you take the class for PFZ exemptions, how much does it cost to get a new CPL with the exemption box checked? I thought I read somewhere $20, but I'm having trouble finding it now.
$20 is what I read. Happy reading
reading the bill now, i feel like i'm trying to translate hieroglyphics. i did stumble upon this that really sucks-
(h) The names, residential addresses, and telephone numbers of
2 individuals who are references for the applicant. References
under this subdivision shall not be related to the applicant or be
members of the same household as the applicant.
I don't see why we need references at all, and many do not want people other than family members knowing they have a CPL. Wonder why they changed it so relatives could not be references?
I believe this conversation has reached the point of no return.
For once we disagree. I can't take a neutral stance here. As much as I hate to see people be incompetent, better it is to be that than to be forcibly disarmed.
No matter what arguments are made here, the fact remains that if this passes it will be removing from everyone a right, and be replacing it with a privilege, and to see people who have argued against past legislation for the exact same reason supporting this bill has me dismayed.
This compromise is simply not acceptable.
Big Gay Al said:The thing is, in order to OC in the places mentioned, you have to have a CPL in any event. So it's still not a right, since you can't OC in a PFZ without a CPL. All that's going on is the privilege is being changed from being allowed to OC, to being allowed to CC, after you take the additional training. Realistically, no rights are being lost, only privileges are being swapped around.
reading the bill now, i feel like i'm trying to translate hieroglyphics. i did stumble upon this that really sucks-
(h) The names, residential addresses, and telephone numbers of
2 individuals who are references for the applicant. References
under this subdivision shall not be related to the applicant or be
members of the same household as the applicant.
I don't see why we need references at all, and many do not want people other than family members knowing they have a CPL. Wonder why they changed it so relatives could not be references?
Frankly, I don't think there's much of a difference.The point of no return, or the return of no point?
Is MOC seriously censoring facebook comments under the SB59 posts on their wall? I noticed a few others that were expressing their concerns about SB59 that have also suddenly disappeared. That's rather unfortunate that open discussion is being discouraged and censored by MOC, assuming this isn't just some crazy facebook bug. Does anyone want to comment on that?
I would assume that, if the bill passes, that some mommy will complain that she saw someone with a gun in one of the zones now OK for permit holder with extra training. Then the legislature removes this provision.
Then what would the bill get you? hmmmm
And I would not think its a matter of if but when.
One has to think ahead ... I have seen this type of behavior before ... the legislature will put in a phrase or provision just to get a bill passed and 3 months later, after its law, change it to remove the provision.
Q - Some People for many reasons choose not to use MOC's chat. In my case it comes from a conscious choice not to use MicroSoft products. I have found the linux distro I like to have issues with the teamspeak server of MOC.
Is MOC seriously censoring facebook comments under the SB59 posts on their wall? I noticed a few others that were expressing their concerns about SB59 that have also suddenly disappeared. That's rather unfortunate that open discussion is being discouraged and censored by MOC, assuming this isn't just some crazy facebook bug. Does anyone want to comment on that?
I'd run but I don't think anyone likes me.Position is up for election this summer. Glad to hear you'll be running so I don't win by "default"
Best of luck with your run.
I know that posts can be edited or deleted, I would not be shocked if someone at MOC would and has deleted post that go against their decided course.
I'd run but I don't think anyone likes me.