jeffy_ssd
Regular Member
Moore's BBQ is the best and try to go every time I am down visiting my parents who live in Trenton. Nothing quite like Moore's flounder!
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NC OC experience reports
- Thread starter glockaholic
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Moore's BBQ is the best and try to go every time I am down visiting my parents who live in Trenton. Nothing quite like Moore's flounder!
ron73440
Regular Member
Too bad we didn't run into each other since you never showed up for any of my meet-n-greets.:lol:
I agree though, by the time I left on Saturday there were a lot of hoodlums just hanging out, nothing happened, but you definitely need to be aware of the potential for a "flash mob".
ron73440
Regular Member
I think they put crack in their BBQ, can't get enough.
Matter of fact, I was there again on Friday and a younger guy who worked there asked me about my pistol and permit requirements. He looked a little surprised when I told him I didn't have a permit and had no plans to get one.
Which of course got my wife back on the "see, most people don't understand why you hate permits".
She still supports me, she just doesn't understand.
carolina guy
Regular Member
(*chuckle*) Got a new holster Saturday at Academy Sports for the old Hi-Power...asked the wife how it looked and her only comment was "visible" followed by one of those *looks*.
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Bahabandit
Regular Member
I was there Saturday towards the evening. Around where the curve was near the water was the most "gangsta" looking folks. Also some of the rudest people I have ever been around. Had one person bump into my wife and I though she was going to go ape**** because she was pushing our son in the stroller. She was packing too but she prefers to put her pistol in her purse.
ron73440
Regular Member
Sounds like you got there around the time I was leaving, I will post anther lunch and shoot soon, hope to see you there.
I've also OC'd in the Sportsman toy store and B&J Seafood great service at both places and as usual, not a word was said about my pistol.
roushstang99
Regular Member
Went to Party City for my Halloween costume (which is going to be bad ass) and I think only one or two people even noticed I was OCing. They were pretty crowded so I'm surprised there wasn't more reaction from more people, but that's what we want right for OC to be the norm?
carolina guy
Regular Member
Wonder how many people there would have even recognized your pistol as a "real" gun in a costume store before Halloween?
ron73440
Regular Member
First Negative Experience
Went to the Wicked Superstore in Havelock to look for a costume for my 11 yo son.We weren't in there for more than a minute when a guy who worked there came up to me:
Guy: "The owner wanted me to ask if you were law enforcement"
I'm wearing workboots, jeans , a long sleeve black t-shirt with a Spartan helmet on the front and MOLON LABE on the sleeves and an old Penguins ballcap, so I don't look like a cop.
Me: "No, just a normal guy"
"She said if you're not then you need to put the pistol in your truck"
"Then we're leaving"
"Oh"
"I've been to a lot of different places and never had a problem"
"It's her property"
"I know, guess we'll go somewhere else"
"Sorry about this"
"I don't care, we're going"
So we left and drove to the Halloween store in Morehead. I wish I could have taken a reciept back to the Havelock store, but my son is getting into the too cool for halloween stage and we ended up not buying anything.
I think I handled it OK, didn't want to get into a debate and chance her calling the cops. I do have to mention my wife was very supportive and even explained it to my son when he said he wanted to stay there so we wouldn't have to drive to Morehead.
Went to the Wicked Superstore in Havelock to look for a costume for my 11 yo son.We weren't in there for more than a minute when a guy who worked there came up to me:
Guy: "The owner wanted me to ask if you were law enforcement"
I'm wearing workboots, jeans , a long sleeve black t-shirt with a Spartan helmet on the front and MOLON LABE on the sleeves and an old Penguins ballcap, so I don't look like a cop.
Me: "No, just a normal guy"
"She said if you're not then you need to put the pistol in your truck"
"Then we're leaving"
"Oh"
"I've been to a lot of different places and never had a problem"
"It's her property"
"I know, guess we'll go somewhere else"
"Sorry about this"
"I don't care, we're going"
So we left and drove to the Halloween store in Morehead. I wish I could have taken a reciept back to the Havelock store, but my son is getting into the too cool for halloween stage and we ended up not buying anything.
I think I handled it OK, didn't want to get into a debate and chance her calling the cops. I do have to mention my wife was very supportive and even explained it to my son when he said he wanted to stay there so we wouldn't have to drive to Morehead.
carolina guy
Regular Member
I just explain to my kids that I carry to keep them safe, and we don't shop places where we cannot be safe.
Ron, nice job with your handling of this and taking your money elsewhere, tho for future reference according to NC statutes if you had refused to disarm the clerk can not ask you leave...
§ 14-159.13. Second degree trespass.
(a) Offense. - A person commits the offense of second degree trespass if, without authorization, he enters or remains on premises of another:
(1) After he has been notified not to enter or remain there by the owner, by a person in charge of the premises, by a lawful occupant, or by another authorized person; or
(2) That are posted, in a manner reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders, with notice not to enter the premises.
(b) Classification. - Second degree trespass is a Class 3 misdemeanor. (1987, c. 700, s. 1; 1993, c. 539, s. 102; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c).)
http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByArticle/Chapter_14/Article_22B.html
and when johnny law arrives, you explain you have not be asked to leave by a person in charge of the premises and then politely walk out of the store...
ipse
Very bad advice IMO. Your not knowing the status of the one directing you to leave won't save your bacon. Walking away from a LEO w/o first confirming you are free to leave is foolish at best. AND you will probably have just confirmed with you "explaination" that you were in fact asked to leave - that would make it double dumb.
Ron chose the best course of action. If he wants to follow through with a complaint to the store management, he knows how to do that too.
carolina guy
Regular Member
To quote you, yourself (ipse):
solus said:
VERY bad advice...how do you *KNOW* that this person was NOT an "authorized person"? I guess another quote by yourself might be appropriate:
solus said:do they have internet access which they allow those being booked to use so he can let's us know how it went??
The OP did the correct thing...if asked to leave, leave. Register your complaint later, but leave first.
Otherwise, if you have legal questions, ask a lawyer.
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carolina guy
Regular Member
+100 Wiser words have hardly been spoken.
ron73440
Regular Member
The owner was sitting at the front desk when we came in and the guy said she sent him, I have no reason to think he was lying as they were talking before he came to me.
As it is the owner that had the problem, I will not be filing a complaint and will not go back.
As it is the owner that had the problem, I will not be filing a complaint and will not go back.
carolina guy
Regular Member
Bahabandit
Regular Member
Lowes Jacksonville
I had an employee at lowes tell me a while back that I wasnt allowed to carry there. I told him to get me the manager. The manager set him straight and told me he was new.
I had an employee at lowes tell me a while back that I wasnt allowed to carry there. I told him to get me the manager. The manager set him straight and told me he was new.
im sorry did you'al miss my first sentence of my post??
Ron, nice job with your handling of this and taking your money elsewhere
the second part was FYI of NC's trespass statutes...
now the other part of that...
sorry, if the owner had the problem, they should speak up and sending a flunky quote: guy who worked there came up to me: Guy: "The owner wanted me to ask if you were law enforcement" unquote to do their bidding does not meet the spirit and intent of the statute quoted. this is especially true if the owner saw Ron walk in.
additionally, nowhere in Ron's posting did he get confirmation it was in fact the owner who wished his gun removed or rather the bravado of the 'guy' showing the 'boss' how macho he was.
I am sorry if that sounds harsh but the truth of the matter is police are on private property and the owner not the flunky will have to press charges.
finally, since you have not done anything wrong...the police private on property have no reason to detain you nor question you - so you are free to walk away...especially since you do not have to show id to them only provide a name.
but IANA and like everyone else out here conjectured based on experience and citing the applicable statutes. for a 3rd degree misdemeanor.
ipse
Ron, nice job with your handling of this and taking your money elsewhere
the second part was FYI of NC's trespass statutes...
now the other part of that...
sorry, if the owner had the problem, they should speak up and sending a flunky quote: guy who worked there came up to me: Guy: "The owner wanted me to ask if you were law enforcement" unquote to do their bidding does not meet the spirit and intent of the statute quoted. this is especially true if the owner saw Ron walk in.
additionally, nowhere in Ron's posting did he get confirmation it was in fact the owner who wished his gun removed or rather the bravado of the 'guy' showing the 'boss' how macho he was.
I am sorry if that sounds harsh but the truth of the matter is police are on private property and the owner not the flunky will have to press charges.
finally, since you have not done anything wrong...the police private on property have no reason to detain you nor question you - so you are free to walk away...especially since you do not have to show id to them only provide a name.
but IANA and like everyone else out here conjectured based on experience and citing the applicable statutes. for a 3rd degree misdemeanor.
ipse
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Carolina guy, what in devil crawled under your skin?
why are you on this self assigned mission to discredit another poster, one whom you have never met nor know nothing about their background, experience base, etc., to the point you feel it necessary to scour previous posts and take their postings out of context to suit your own personal agenda and your self importance?
I do not regal to name calling to booster my self esteem and find it difficult to understand why in the world you feel the need to?
Grapeshot, surely there is some forum guidance to preclude this taking of an individual's postings across the different threads so the individual's credibility is diminished? The name calling is a 'sticks & stones' mentality which is tolerable.
ipse
why are you on this self assigned mission to discredit another poster, one whom you have never met nor know nothing about their background, experience base, etc., to the point you feel it necessary to scour previous posts and take their postings out of context to suit your own personal agenda and your self importance?
I do not regal to name calling to booster my self esteem and find it difficult to understand why in the world you feel the need to?
Grapeshot, surely there is some forum guidance to preclude this taking of an individual's postings across the different threads so the individual's credibility is diminished? The name calling is a 'sticks & stones' mentality which is tolerable.
ipse
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Nope, didn't miss your compliment to Ron.
The rest of your advice is still bad - even the 2nd time around.
You don't know who is "authorized" or not. Point of fact, until superseded by a superior virtually any employee can tell you what is allowed and not. Until they have other information, LEOs are going to listen to the employee in front of them.
The accepted rule is to not hold court on the street or in the store. If you are told to leave, then leave. Proceed as you wish from the comfort and safety of your home or office. Sure you can ask to speak to the manager if time and circumstances allow - but demanding it now? I don't think so.
Walking away from a LEO before determining you are not being detained may very well earn you a Do Not Pass Go, Go Directly To Jail card.
Knowing the law alone is not enough. How one acts under stress is most important - equally important is knowing when to show your cards.