NC OC experience reports

[BriKW]

Hey BRIK, welcome to the forum. Did I meet the same guy in mayberry Wal-Mart sat. Someone asked me if I get harassed OCing like I do. Told him no, it is totally legal in NC, and VA. He didn't say much after that and then left

If you want to have a M&G I will be happy to come. GC during the week or Snappy's on the weekend?

I will be working the Hillsvile flea market this weekend, but next week will be great

Sounds great..would really enjoy that. Private message me some details and we could exchange numbers possibly, and work something out.

I'm not sure if we ran into the same guy or not, but I always get plenty of stares, and a few questions. I would prefere plenty of questions from the public, and fewer stares. I love the opportunity to inform our citizenry on their second amendment rights. It amazes me how much even CHP holders are ill informed on their right to carry openly.

I believe open carry should be a part of every CC class taught as at least an option, however there isn't a dime to be made off that nugget of information.

 

[Grapeshot]

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I believe open carry should be a part of every CC class taught as at least an option, however there isn't a dime to be made off that nugget of information.

This is a point that seems to be made repeatedly. I am of the opinion that the opposite is true.

The more people that OC, the more people who will want the option of also CCing. IMHO a ten fold increase in OCers would yield a substantial increase in those that want permits. In my experience, only a small percentage of OCers do not have permits. Of course the opposite is true also - the more people that get permits and therefore carry, the more people will chose to OC.

The instructors that I know that have made the information available about OC have not only seen no decrease in the class enrollment, but they are amongst the most successful and busiest instructors.

The alleged fear of the NRA, reluctance to embrace OC, is poorly founded. It is an attitude that going to die slowly though.

 

[solus]

I had the opportunity of seeing a man carry in the Walmart on US 70W and no longer felt out of place OC'g myself. Not sure he noticed me walking by.

Grapeshot, there are CHP instructors who do advocate OC to the state's citizens along with providing information about the state's deadly force laws.

finally, i have never gotten any indication from the NRA promos there was any bias one way or the other to carry.

ipse

 

[Grapeshot]

The NRA stops short of condeming OC, but it can't be said that they promote it as an option - particularly not unlicensed OC.

Anybody seen a current class outline/sylibus from the NRA instructors course? Does it include either unlicensed or licensed OC? It did not when I was actively instructiing.

 

[solus]

grapeshot, i have been told some of the nra training staff regularly open carry while at work. You are also correct their basic pistol or instructor level training materials do not advocate CC or OC which IMHO is the 'politically' correct position for an organization who is the premiere firearm training group for both citizens and law enforcement personnel both here as well as throughout the world.

a side note, it would be interesting to note if those instructors we hear about in the news who have NegDischarges in their classes are in fact NRA certified since NRA training materials are adamant about having live ammo in the classrooms.

ispe

 

[Grapeshot]

grapeshot, i have been told some of the nra training staff regularly open carry while at work. You are also correct their basic pistol or instructor level training materials do not advocate CC or OC which IMHO is the 'politically' correct position for an organization who is the premiere firearm training group for both citizens and law enforcement personnel both here as well as throughout the world.

a side note, it would be interesting to note if those instructors we hear about in the news who have NegDischarges in their classes are in fact NRA certified since NRA training materials are adamant about having live ammo in the classrooms.

ispe

How individual staff members may carry is not the point. That the NRA, as an organization, does not encourage/promote OC is the point.

The NRA does a great job of raising awareness generally.....and self-promotion.

The NRA is most assuredly not the premier training group for law endorsement here in Virginia - The best and most competent police instructors are certified by the Dept. of Criminal Justices Services (DCJS) - in fact all LEO must be trained and certified by a DCJS instructor and in accordance with a strict set of guidelines.

When it comes down to lobbing and attention to legislation on a state level, they take a distant back seat to local grass roots organizations like VCDL. On the national scene, organizations that do a far better job IMO are those like CCRKBA that actually initiate, fund legal action, and put their heart and soul into it. The NRA more often signs on with an Amicus Brief....then claims the victory as their own. I hold the SAF and JPFOin higher esteem.

The NRA is a big dog though - they have the numbers, but I think they could utilize their muscle to far greater advantage. I have to admit that I chuckle every time I here an anti equate the NRA and the "gun lobby" as being the same. Shows me how little some people know.

 

[solus]

grapeshot, alas you have strayed from the original discussion by blending into the original conversation about NRA training activities (a separate entity per se) to discussing the NRA's ILA side of the organization (as you are aware set up in the early 70s).

the NRA's ILA is in fact aimed towards providing the lobbying aspects and at that point equates with the organizational goals of such other national entities as JFPO, SAF, et al., and local groups like the exemplary Virginia's VCDL. these entities, as mentioned, lack a firearm training component!

to take on the task of firearm training on a world wide level in today's environment is not something i would consider undertaking but the NRA's training department is excelling at the task with minimal staff!!

but as it was stated in the late 90s...We now return control of your television set to you....

ipse

 

[jeffy_ssd]

Lets see.... had dinner at Andy's and a shopping trip to WalMart. No one gave me a second glance.

 

[Grapeshot]

grapeshot, i have been told some of the nra training staff regularly open carry while at work. You are also correct their basic pistol or instructor level training materials do not advocate CC or OC which IMHO is the 'politically' correct position for an organization who is the premiere firearm training group for both citizens and law enforcement personnel both here as well as throughout the world.

a side note, it would be interesting to note if those instructors we hear about in the news who have NegDischarges in their classes are in fact NRA certified since NRA training materials are adamant about having live ammo in the classrooms.

ispe

How individual staff members may carry is not the point. That the NRA, as an organization, does not encourage/promote OC is the point.

The NRA does a great job of raising awareness generally.....and self-promotion.

The NRA is most assuredly not the premier training group for law endorsement here in Virginia - The best and most competent police instructors are certified by the Dept. of Criminal Justices Services (DCJS) - in fact all LEO must be trained and certified by a DCJS instructor and in accordance with a strict set of guidelines.

When it comes down to lobbing and attention to legislation on a state level, they take a distant back seat to local grass roots organizations like VCDL. On the national scene, organizations that do a far better job IMO are those like CCRKBA that actually initiate, fund legal action, and put their heart and soul into it. The NRA more often signs on with an Amicus Brief....then claims the victory as their own. I hold the SAF and JPFOin higher esteem.

The NRA is a big dog though - they have the numbers, but I think they could utilize their muscle to far greater advantage. I have to admit that I chuckle every time I here an anti equate the NRA and the "gun lobby" as being the same. Shows me how little some people know.

grapeshot, alas you have strayed from the original discussion by blending into the original conversation about NRA training activities (a separate entity per se) to discussing the NRA's ILA side of the organization (as you are aware set up in the early 70s).

the NRA's ILA is in fact aimed towards providing the lobbying aspects and at that point equates with the organizational goals of such other national entities as JFPO, SAF, et al., and local groups like the exemplary Virginia's VCDL. these entities, as mentioned, lack a firearm training component!

to take on the task of firearm training on a world wide level in today's environment is not something i would consider undertaking but the NRA's training department is excelling at the task with minimal staff!!

but as it was stated in the late 90s...We now return control of your television set to you....

ipse

Regarding NRA training of non-law enforcement - not really concerned with"on a world level" which I sincerely doubt. On a state level, I see NRA instructors as primarily vendors of minimal competence certificates to satisfy the state requirements for permits.

Now I do know and highly regard a number of instructors, but not because they are NRA certified (several either are or have been DCJS certified) but rather because of their extreme personal competence, knowledge and ability to transmit/teach that to their students.

The NRA's ILA in no way equates to the results of more pro active organizations like CCRKBA, SAF, and JFPO.

I define the NRA by the sum total of their activities. Hope you are not suggesting that my thoughts are not appropriate. Agree that the entire NRA and seeming opposition to OC is best offered on a separate thread.

BTW - that TV program that ended with, "We now return control of your television set to you..." was The Outer Limits...."sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear." The words were delivered by the "Control Voice."

 

[salesguy]

First time poster here and new to OC. 100% positive so far.

Yesterday was my first OC trip and sheepishly went to the ATM and Lowes foods in Mebane. No issues.

Today I went to the following:

-CVS in mebane. Had a nice chat with pharmacist about open carry and she expressed that they wished they could carry at the pharmacy (corp policy?)
-Walmart - no issues at all of course
-Sheetz - same, no issues
-Parking lot of Gym - got a head nod from durham county sheriff in the parking lot
-Dr. office - also no issues. Not posted, so went right in. Had a nice long chat with the doc and staff, they also expressed an interest in carrying at work but can't due to policy.

Dressed in flip flops and tee shirt but plan on OC'ng while wearing a suit as well.

Also have been OC'ng while walking the dog, we have lots of builders/tradesmen around and feel more secure knowing they know I'm armed.

So after only 2 days of venturing out I feel very comfortable that the sky won't fall when OC'ng. I have noticed better customer service and the feeling of being secure and capable of defending myself is undeniable.

I'm carrying a glock 19 gen4 in a blackhawk holster, feels very natural.

 

[carolina guy]

First time poster here and new to OC. 100% positive so far.

Yesterday was my first OC trip and sheepishly went to the ATM and Lowes foods in Mebane. No issues.

Today I went to the following:

-CVS in mebane. Had a nice chat with pharmacist about open carry and she expressed that they wished they could carry at the pharmacy (corp policy?)
-Walmart - no issues at all of course
-Sheetz - same, no issues
-Parking lot of Gym - got a head nod from durham county sheriff in the parking lot
-Dr. office - also no issues. Not posted, so went right in. Had a nice long chat with the doc and staff, they also expressed an interest in carrying at work but can't due to policy.

Dressed in flip flops and tee shirt but plan on OC'ng while wearing a suit as well.

Also have been OC'ng while walking the dog, we have lots of builders/tradesmen around and feel more secure knowing they know I'm armed.

So after only 2 days of venturing out I feel very comfortable that the sky won't fall when OC'ng. I have noticed better customer service and the feeling of being secure and capable of defending myself is undeniable.

I'm carrying a glock 19 gen4 in a blackhawk holster, feels very natural.

Welcome to OCDO!! Glad to hear it went well for you, and don't forget a voice recorder (or app)...might come in handy, but will hopefully never be needed!

How are you going to OC in a suit? I presume you will have a jacket?

 

[salesguy]

Thanks for the welcome! I did enjoy reading every page of the thread on NC experiences, as well as the Richmond one. I sure hope I never get asked for my ID while walking around, though I know the only response I will give is "Am I free to go" and "my lawyer has advised me not to speak to the police w/out him present".

Excellent point - forgot to mention that I bought a $.99 app for the iphone that will continuously record quite easily (audio memos). It records while under passcode lock and only pauses when a phonecall or other app uses the mic. Will also record from a Bluetooth headset, making it very easy to place your headset in a pocket closer to the conversation.

I will also add I OC'd while motorcycling (honda CBR600RR) and I'm pretty sure no one noticed (right side).

With a suit I'd have to go without the jacket, though I have my CCP so either way is fine. I do much prefer OC now and probably won't bother with CC very often.

 

[carolina guy]

Thanks for the welcome! I did enjoy reading every page of the thread on NC experiences, as well as the Richmond one. I sure hope I never get asked for my ID while walking around, though I know the only response I will give is "Am I free to go" and "my lawyer has advised me not to speak to the police w/out him present".

Excellent point - forgot to mention that I bought a $.99 app for the iphone that will continuously record quite easily (audio memos). It records while under passcode lock and only pauses when a phonecall or other app uses the mic. Will also record from a Bluetooth headset, making it very easy to place your headset in a pocket closer to the conversation.

I will also add I OC'd while motorcycling (honda CBR600RR) and I'm pretty sure no one noticed (right side).

With a suit I'd have to go without the jacket, though I have my CCP so either way is fine. I do much prefer OC now and probably won't bother with CC very often.

(*thumbs up*)

 

[Horsegal984]

Earlier today I wandered around PetSmart in Afton Ridge with two dogs and a child, then dropped the dogs off to avoid the heat while we went to Walmart in Kannapolis.

Wound up making a stop at FoodLion at Dale Earnhardt Blvd on the way home for a couple forgotten items, then unhosltered for a stop in the ABC store.

Most interesting looks and conversation was about the dogs or my daughter. Kinda surprised, since I've been open carrying I haven't noticed a strange look yet. Even from the cashier ringing up my 200 rounds of 9mm Luger at Walmart, though I'm still psyched about my great timing to pick up some range ammo!

 

[carolina guy]

Earlier today I wandered around PetSmart in Afton Ridge with two dogs and a child, then dropped the dogs off to avoid the heat while we went to Walmart in Kannapolis.

Wound up making a stop at FoodLion at Dale Earnhardt Blvd on the way home for a couple forgotten items, then unhosltered for a stop in the ABC store.

Most interesting looks and conversation was about the dogs or my daughter. Kinda surprised, since I've been open carrying I haven't noticed a strange look yet. Even from the cashier ringing up my 200 rounds of 9mm Luger at Walmart, though I'm still psyched about my great timing to pick up some range ammo!

Super report and congrats on the 9mm ammo!!! Welcome to OCSO!

 

[bc.cruiser]

Wound up making a stop at FoodLion at Dale Earnhardt Blvd on the way home for a couple forgotten items, then unhosltered for a stop in the ABC store.

Are the ABC stores posted in Cabarrus or Rowan county?

 

[Horsegal984]

Are the ABC stores posted in Cabarrus or Rowan county?

I don't know about all of them but the one by my house is. Was goin to ask the guy about it but it was a new cashier I don't know.

 

[bc.cruiser]

I don't know about all of them but the one by my house is. Was goin to ask the guy about it but it was a new cashier I don't know.

If one is, they all are. All ABC stores in a county are controlled by that county's ABC board, and all will have the same rules.

 

[Jamesm760]

Earlier today I wandered around .... Even from the cashier ringing up my 200 rounds of 9mm Luger at Walmart, though I'm still psyched about my great timing to pick up some range ammo!

Glad to hear about the positive encounters! Hope you make it out to the Meet next Sat!

First time poster here and new to OC. 100% positive so far...

Welcome to OCDO and glad to hear everything is going good!
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MY EXPERIENCES:

I went to Dollar Tree in Salisbury, and the cashier leaned over the register stared at my Glock and asked
Her: "what are you?"
Me:"Just a LAC, exercising the 2ndA"
Her:"was it hard to get a permit"
Me: "you don't need a permit to open carry"
Her: "Oh really?"
Me: "yea, just have to make sure it's not concealed."
Her: "I might look into getting one then. Are they expensive?"
Me: "mine wasn't too expensive"
Her: "how much was yours"
Me: "mine was $600"
Her: "THATS expensive"
Me: "oh well they have some that are around $200."
Her: "ok thats good to know"
Me: "have a nice day"
Her: "thanks you too"

^thats the best ecounter/conversation I've had to date.

I also went to GNC in Charlotte and the Manager that was helping me there, was Mirin (admiring) the Glock pretty hard. Once I was paying for everything he asked me,
Him: "is it a 40"
Me: "yes"
Him: "what brand?"
Me: "It's a Glock"
Him: "so it's a 22"
Me: "not it's actually the 23, what do you own?"
Him: "I don't own anything right now, but i'm really looking into getting something."

Then we started talkin about 40 VS 357sig VS 45ACP, recoil, penetration, balistic gel tests. He stated he watches allot of FPSrussia, Iraqvet888, I recommended Hickok45. I informed him that with a switch of a barrel you could switch from 40-357sig on the 40SW Glock models, he was very impressed with that so I think I recrutied a member for Team Glock .... Sorry for the long post it, I just had to let you guys know about the experiences.

 

[salesguy]

Another (mostly) uneventful outing on the motorcycle. I took a ride from mebane out to hanging rock state park, up RT8 into VA and back. OC'd the whole time except in hanging rock, where I had to CC (kind of weird moving my gun on the side of the road). Stopped along the way in Reidsville and Walnut Cove & yanceville.

At a gas station in Reidsville I'm about done gassing my bike up and this lady pulls in to get gas with a van full of kids. She steps out, looks over from the pump and her mouth drops open. Immediately leaves with no gas.

At Mcdonalds in yanceville there were two cops in the parking lot, walked by both with just a head nod. They hung out for a bit and then left before I did.