Nuget denies VA gun ticket holders permission to carry at Berglung Center concert

[Tess]

The real issue, though, is that Nugent is a hypocrite. If in fact it was he or his management that set the policy, as the story states. that's fully on them. One might argue that someone on the teap made the decision without his knowledge, but the written account doesn't seem to support that.

This is a man who attends NRA conventions where the venue prohibits firearms, and proudly declares that he carries wherever he goes ...

It's another guns for me but not for thee -- this time coming from someone who claims to be on the side of the legal gun owner.

 

[solus]

The real issue, though, is that Nugent is a hypocrite. If in fact it was he or his management that set the policy, as the story states. that's fully on them. One might argue that someone on the teap made the decision without his knowledge, but the written account doesn't seem to support that.

This is a man who attends NRA conventions where the venue prohibits firearms, and proudly declares that he carries wherever he goes ...

It's another guns for me but not for thee -- this time coming from someone who claims to be on the side of the legal gun owner.

 

[KBCraig]

The real issue, though, is that Nugent is a hypocrite. If in fact it was he or his management that set the policy, as the story states. that's fully on them. One might argue that someone on the teap made the decision without his knowledge, but the written account doesn't seem to support that.

This is a man who attends NRA conventions where the venue prohibits firearms, and proudly declares that he carries wherever he goes ...

It's another guns for me but not for thee -- this time coming from someone who claims to be on the side of the legal gun owner.

QFT

 

[HP995]

It's another guns for me but not for thee -- this time coming from someone who claims to be on the side of the legal gun owner.

Good point! Words and deeds. Also:

No rights were violated as Ted nor his management/security team are the Government.

Here's an example of the kind of thinking that handicaps too many good people. It makes them sitting ducks for modern political attacks in ways they often fail to even recognize. Progressives know it and are currently taking advantage of this to target 1st and 2nd.

Not talking about Ted, but this simplistic perception that only Government can violate rights. So naturally anti-Constitution progressives love that mindset and are intentionally coming up with novel ways to mix things up and gain the advantage of surprise and cover. They will attack from the flank if you're guarded but only up front. Much more effective that way. Their targets are as likely to misguidedly defend the attack as to perceive the threat and strike back. Smarten up! :idea:

 

[Marco]

Good point! Words and deeds. Also:



Here's an example of the kind of thinking that handicaps too many good people. It makes them sitting ducks for modern political attacks in ways they often fail to even recognize. Progressives know it and are currently taking advantage of this to target 1st and 2nd.

Not talking about Ted, but this simplistic perception that only Government can violate rights. So naturally anti-Constitution progressives love that mindset and are intentionally coming up with novel ways to mix things up and gain the advantage of surprise and cover. They will attack from the flank if you're guarded but only up front. Much more effective that way. Their targets are as likely to misguidedly defend the attack as to perceive the threat and strike back. Smarten up! :idea:

So are you going to sue Ted/his management/security team etc.. for violating your rights?

 

[solus]

So are you going to sue Ted/his management/security team etc.. for violating your rights?

No marco, I’ll do what I always do and other firearm advocates preach...take my $$$$ and my tender bod, w/legally carried firearm(s) [as appropriate], elsewhere.

Additionally, post on premier nationally recognized firearm forums to share the antics of the hypocrite.

Rumor has it the great Ted barely filled a 2.5k person venue with < 1k of die hard visitors, could it be he is a has been or others are recognizing his hypocrisy?

 

[Marco]

No marco, I’ll do what I always do and other firearm advocates preach...take my $$$$ and my tender bod, w/legally carried firearm(s) [as appropriate], elsewhere.

Additionally, post on premier nationally recognized firearm forums to share the antics of the hypocrite.

Rumor has it the great Ted barely filled a 2.5k person venue with < 1k of die hard visitors, could it be he is a has been or others are recognizing his hypocrisy?

If I don't have to be there and I can't choose the way/ manner in which I prefer to defend myself/family guess I'll go elsewhere.
I choose to spend my money with places that earn my business.

Glad you agree.

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[WalkingWolf]

No marco, I’ll do what I always do and other firearm advocates preach...take my $$$$ and my tender bod, w/legally carried firearm(s) [as appropriate], elsewhere.

Additionally, post on premier nationally recognized firearm forums to share the antics of the hypocrite.

Rumor has it the great Ted barely filled a 2.5k person venue with < 1k of die hard visitors, could it be he is a has been or others are recognizing his hypocrisy?

Or they could be just dead, in a nursing home, or just not interested in crowds at an old age.

 

[wrearick]

There is big difference from malls, restaurants, and other businesses that do not cater to rowdy behavior. Also shoulder to shoulder crowds is not the same as where most people are well more than arms length apart. If a business has a history of such problems, and I have known some, such as the SkyRocket Bar in Spfld, Il then guns should be prohibited. As far as the second amendment on private property that is up to the business to allow, or not. It is up to the individual to make a decision if they want to enter such a place. Again if a person feels uncomfortable with rules, or the place the rules of stupid apply.

WW, I have to disagree or at least ask where do you draw the line?
- If a firearm has to be used at a crowded event you contend innocent people WILL be injured - So the security for the arena and local police should also be unarmed or is there some magic formula that prevents their firearm from potentially hitting innocent people?
- Not all concerts are wall to wall mass of people. MANY have assigned seats much like those in a movie theater. Do you think one should not be allowed to carry at a movie theater? And before you go on about their being drinking at a concert a number of movie houses in this area serve alcohol. A law abiding citizen should be able to resist the temptation of drinking while CC or drinking too much while OC.
- Your arguments boil down to if you want to exercise your 2nd amendment rights you can not go to any crowed venue or a venue where alcohol may be present, even if one follows all the existing laws. Have you been to any of the parks where a VCDL picnic is going on. Plenty of people and while none in the group were drinking alcohol neighboring pavilions had plenty of stuff for the people in their groups.
- We need to stay home locked up in our homes - that does not sound like the land of the free to me.

 

[wrearick]

I agree that Ted had the legal authority to place restrictions on the private venue he rented for the evening (if he is the one who actually rented it). Most of the time it is a promoter or concert entertainment company that rents venues and pays the performers to come perform. I doubt the money to rent the Berglung Center came from Ted. So I question whether he has the right to set the policy. He can refuse to come and perform - that is his right...he can stay home if he doesn't like guns but big stretch here saying that he is the property renter in this case and has a legal right to ban firearms.

That is like hiring a motivational speaker to come address your group after a dinner. You are going to pay the person to come and speak but they want to insist that everyone locks up their guns before they come into your facility. not their right in my book

 

[color of law]

Other than Ted Nugent being a gun rights advocate, what is this guy known for? Who is he?

 

[HP995]

It's bigger than Ted. Hypocritical is disappointing and plays into anti-2A, but I'm even more concerned about dedicated anti-2A efforts.

And they are currently targeting a weakness, the belief that only Government can violate or restrict your rights.

If you have a strong belief that an attack can only come from the East, that gives your enemy a big advantage. To hit you hard, all he has to do is figure out how to stage an attack from any another direction. Plenty directions to choose from. It may be a bit challenging, but once he succeeds he gets in a really good hit and you don't see it coming. To succeed they don't play by your rules.

So progressives, while they never stop working to use Government to take away your rights, are also branching out into using other areas and blurring the lines. Education and media of course. Then corporate and tech. This can limit your actual abilities and opportunities to exercise your rights, and it can even influence future law and court rulings by setting trends. The 1st amendment is hardest hit using tech, corporate, education, and media to limit which ideas you can express and easily find.

But the 2nd is not immune to these tactics by any means, and efforts are underway. Witness that the medical profession and financial institutions have also been recruited for anti-2a efforts along with education, media, corporate, and tech. Lines are blurred - government protective services, schools, media, libraries, and other govt offices may work with doctors in dealing with community "health risks." Which means guns in your home. Private corporate decisions are enforced by law. So if they can't pass a law to ban guns at concerts, or stadiums, or crowds, they can accomplish the same practical effect by convincing the parent companies of every major venue (or a very large percentage) to have policies in place.

That may be different in principle to you - but it doesn't matter to them. It's one more place you can't carry; mission accomplished. Most people can't carry there and they're being trained that it's somewhere they shouldn't want to carry. Then it's only a matter of working to get the official government law to follow the real private/social/corporate trend. See how it works? They are flexible.

 

[solus]

Other than Ted Nugent being a gun rights advocate, what is this guy known for? Who is he?

2012: http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4894...g-before-obama-draft-dodging-multi-babydaddy/
Quote:
Conservative IQ Test: If You Like Him, You’re a Moron (& Not a Conservative)

As I noted in my column, “The Hypocritical Summer of Ted Nugent,” this sleazy, fraudulent, aging former rocker draft-dodged to get out of the Vietnam War by not showering and wearing the same clothes for thirty days, evacuating himself in them, so the doctors would declare him unfit. He said it was better for others to serve and die instead of him because he said he’d have been killed, and he needed to rock! And he also lied in writing to get a student deferment. On his successful deferment application, he claimed he was a college student, and yet he was, instead, touring with his band, while other men his age were risking their lives–many giving life and limb–to fight in Vietnam.

He’s now the proud babydaddy to eight children with six different women, most of whom he abandoned and to whom he refused to pay child support. One of those kids was fathered with another woman (not his wife) during his current marriage, and while he fought for years to avoid paying even a dime of child support, you paid instead, as the kid and mother went on welfare.

Oh, and if you’re a Christian–whether Catholic or Protestant–don’t be too forgiving of the Motor City Moron. In his episode of “Behind the Music,” he mocked organized religion and the belief in G-d, and, in his book, he called the Catholic Church, “the in-house gang of pedophiles” (Pot. Kettle. Black. Ted Nugent, Guardian of Underage Girlfriend When He Was Age 30),

Quote: [And don’t forget this from the New York Post in 2004:

Courtney Love phoned into The Howard Stern Show on Monday (March 22) before eventually coming into the studio where she made the shocking allegation that one of the first times she had oxxl [I changed the word] sex was with Ted Nugent. She said she was young and she didn’t want to say exactly how old she was, but eventually confessed she was 12-year-old – which would have made Nugent approximately 28 years old at the time. Unquote. http://www.debbieschlussel.com/1503/the-hypocritical-summer-of-ted-nugent/ ]

welcome to an overview of Ted...


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[color of law]

2012: http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4894...g-before-obama-draft-dodging-multi-babydaddy/
Quote:
Conservative IQ Test: If You Like Him, You’re a Moron (& Not a Conservative)

As I noted in my column, “The Hypocritical Summer of Ted Nugent,” this sleazy, fraudulent, aging former rocker draft-dodged to get out of the Vietnam War by not showering and wearing the same clothes for thirty days, evacuating himself in them, so the doctors would declare him unfit. He said it was better for others to serve and die instead of him because he said he’d have been killed, and he needed to rock! And he also lied in writing to get a student deferment. On his successful deferment application, he claimed he was a college student, and yet he was, instead, touring with his band, while other men his age were risking their lives–many giving life and limb–to fight in Vietnam.

He’s now the proud babydaddy to eight children with six different women, most of whom he abandoned and to whom he refused to pay child support. One of those kids was fathered with another woman (not his wife) during his current marriage, and while he fought for years to avoid paying even a dime of child support, you paid instead, as the kid and mother went on welfare.

Oh, and if you’re a Christian–whether Catholic or Protestant–don’t be too forgiving of the Motor City Moron. In his episode of “Behind the Music,” he mocked organized religion and the belief in G-d, and, in his book, he called the Catholic Church, “the in-house gang of pedophiles” (Pot. Kettle. Black. Ted Nugent, Guardian of Underage Girlfriend When He Was Age 30),

Quote: [And don’t forget this from the New York Post in 2004:

Courtney Love phoned into The Howard Stern Show on Monday (March 22) before eventually coming into the studio where she made the shocking allegation that one of the first times she had oxxl [I changed the word] sex was with Ted Nugent. She said she was young and she didn’t want to say exactly how old she was, but eventually confessed she was 12-year-old – which would have made Nugent approximately 28 years old at the time. Unquote. http://www.debbieschlussel.com/1503/the-hypocritical-summer-of-ted-nugent/ ]

welcome to an overview of Ted...


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So, he is not a member of the Rat Pack. That's why I don't know who he is.