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NRA and open carry

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bushwacker

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WalkingWolf said:
Because there is a lot more money to be made in concealed carry privilege cards. RKBA/Open Carry is kryptonite to their bank accounts.
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I would have to agree and disagree.....if (like in Georgia) you have to have a ccl inorder to oc the money factor is still there but, in constitutional carry it's not ....I really hate having to get a permit to exercise my right.. errr ...privilege. depends on which state i'm in. seems like all these different gun rights groups are like tribes of Indians ,they all have a common nemesis (the calvery or government) but with the gun groups they only have so much time to get it together or they are going to miss out on their Little Big Horn, be quick now, for I think I hear Custer coming.in the form of U.N. small arms treaty. yeah if we aren't prepaired if and when that thing gets signed... we're done.
 
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Nightmare said:
In the US, the treaty power is a coordinated effort between the Executive branch and the Senate. The President may form and negotiate, but the treaty must be advised and consented to by a two-thirds vote in the Senate. Only after the Senate approves the treaty can the President ratify it. Once a treaty is ratified, it becomes binding on all the states under the Supremacy Clause.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratification#United_States
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Bingo. Same thing goes for many of his "executive orders." Whenever such orders violate the Constitution, they are unlawful, and no American is under any obligation whatsoever to comply with them. Indeed, every American, regardless of position or station, has an obligation, if not a duty, to support and defend the Constitution against such unlawful orders. The most effective means occurs when the masses simply refuse to comply. Similarly, those who've taken an oath of office can do the same. The response can't be half-hearted, though. The majority must be in accord, and those who're unclear of their oath of office needed to be reminded that the only reason they took the oath in the first place is because here in American, the Constitution is the "law of the land," higher than all other laws and positions of authority, including the President and the other two branches of our federal government.
 
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I think the current adminstration feels the US Constitution is just more of a suggestion than a law.

Calling Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard.
 
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Thundar said:
My post is not meant to disparage VCDL, but only to give an honest OC appraisal based upon many years of OC activism in the COmmonwealth of Virginia. VCDL is alot better than the NRA, but it is at best agnostic, and often pejorative toward open carry.

VCDL Open Carry: Yes most VCDL members do open carry at public meetings. This has been a quite effective tactic, but for many this tactic is for show and not a way of everyday life for them.

VCDL History on Gun Rights: If you go back and look at their legislative history site you will find that for the lasdt four years their strongly support items were, for the most part P4P. What you will also find, which is most telling, is that constitutional carry was something that they only supported (not strongly support). VCDL has squandered the political opportunity with a terrible legislative agenda over the last 5 years. No firearms freedom act, no constitutional carry, no state agency pre-emption! No serious effort at any of the real "gun rights" issues left for this state. All we have are numerous P4P and C2I2 enhancements.

Pattern Dynamic: CCers get what they want, then leave OC ers holding the bag. Great team players when we help them with a CC score but not so much when we push an OC agenda item. This is the pattern in many places, not just the Commonwealth of Virginia.

VCDL Link: http://www2.vcdl.org/webapps/vcdl/2013leg.html
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"Open carry is always going to be fully protected and enhanced by VCDL whenever we can. We are also pushing for Constitutional Carry. But concealed carry is very important to our members and it is a priority."
Philip

Expect to see a another parking lot bill before we see another Constitutional carry bill.

The above snip of a lengthy email between myself and VCDL prez. was in response to me asking why other issues not chp related weren't being pushed and why there's a lack of support for VCDL outside of large metro areas. Namely, non chp'ers not being allowed to carry during Muzzleloader/Bow season and non chp'ers not being allowed to carry in the GA (the people's house).

OC isn't being fully protected as non chp'ers would have to succumb to getting a chp if they wanted to legally carry a firearm during those season or in the GA.

Agree, Thundar.
 
eye95

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Conceal carry and licenses to do so may not have been a conspiracy, but even if it was not by design, the two accomplished a lot to disarm Americans. Concealed carry made guns invisible to folks, making many think that carry was rare and unnecessary. People who wanted to conceal got licenses, making it common to believe that carry was a privilege. That's what almost killed the Right.

The NRA bought heavily into this model and has too much at stake to fight for the underlying Right. Instead, they are fighting tooth and nail for licensed concealed carry.

I don't give a crap about concealment or licenses. I am fighting now for unlicensed carry.

eye95, charter member of ;) Ohioans for Unlicensed Carry.
 
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eye95 said:
People who wanted to conceal got licenses, making it common to believe that carry was a privilege. That's what almost killed the Right.
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So true.

As you and probably many others have heard and/or read from me before... When Liberty minded friends and acquaintances were really wanting concealed carry licensing law in Ohio; I was against it. Out of respect for their views and with personal doubts as to if I was miscalculating the likely outcome of such law; I did not publicly speak out against the proposed licensing law. Unfortunately, my concerns became reality.

(Although, I'm not so sure I would speak out publicly if I were to experience the situation over again. There's a lot of good that's come from concealed carry licensing. But, I'm very concerned that licenses have created or exacerbated one of the rifts in groups of those who carry firearms.)

eye95 said:
I don't give a crap about concealment or licenses. I am fighting now for unlicensed carry.
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I'm right there with you.

eye95 said:
eye95, charter member of ;) Ohioans for Unlicensed Carry.
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If only there was a group (or perhaps a sub-forum on our Ohio Open Carry). Open or concealed, I just want the licenses to go away. If we can't have that in my lifetime then I want to see OC unfettered to the point that one only actually NEEDS a license when they are truly concealing, with no real ambiguous area in the law about what constitutes concealed.
 
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It isn't Ohio. All States can form an unlicensed carry advocacy group. My other home State of Alabama could form one. I want AFUC!
 
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HaHa!!!

eye95 said:
It isn't Ohio. All States can form an unlicensed carry advocacy group. My other home State of Alabama could form one. I want AFUC!
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I never lived in Alabama, but AFUC sounds like a fine thing to get...

Closest thing I can come up with is AWFUC, Angree Washingtonions For Unlicensed Carry.
It just doesnt have the same ring to it
 
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