NC OC experience reports

[NC-Heel]

All of my neighbors know I open carry, so one of them probably pointed them in my direction.

Probably what happened. Someone heard what sounded like gun fire and called 911. Officers arrive and said neighbor points in your general direction because they know you have a gun. I would have asked them to leave the property before I closed the door.

 

[chiefjason]

as a suggestion...might wish to formally report the incident to the sheriff of the county you reside in and if you are sure they were raleigh then FIOA request for specifics w/raleigh pd to see what was going on...

and go from there...

wabbit

Meh, they came, they saw, they asked questions during a consensual conversation. When the OP decided to end it, it ended. Dealing with it is obnoxious, the tag thing is obnoxious; but no one will get worked up over either. They can ask you anything they want. He was not detained. They fished, OP did not bite. If he wants to do all that he can. It's going to go nowhere. Heck, it's hard to get legitimate complaints to go anywhere.

If a guy with a red mustang was doing donuts in the street, and the OP owned a red mustang; he would have had a similar conversation.

 

[ncwabbit]

CJ...this time all ended well...no harm, no foul, eh...

sorry, i subscribe to this appears to be an unwarranted intrusion factor by local gendarmerie who may or may not be acting offically. the sheriff should be made aware IMHO when the situation arises again...

wabbit

 

[rotorhead]

Wow, talk about illegal searches. There's no indication that the cops had reason to arrest or detain you. There's no warrant and yet he still felt it was legal to touch your property, lift a cover up on a bike and check the tags? Lifting a cover to see something underneath certainly could not be classified as in the open. In other words, he conducted an illegal search.

Was the bike on private property?

 

[NC-Heel]

Wow, talk about illegal searches. There's no indication that the cops had reason to arrest or detain you. There's no warrant and yet he still felt it was legal to touch your property, lift a cover up on a bike and check the tags? Lifting a cover to see something underneath certainly could not be classified as in the open. In other words, he conducted an illegal search.

Was the bike on private property?

It having a tag allows the officer to be able to investigate further. The tag is state property. The same way a state trooper can show up at your house and take possession of a tag. Also sounds like the bike may have been parked in the state right of way.

 

[chiefjason]

CJ...this time all ended well...no harm, no foul, eh...

Pretty much, which means there is no case. What happened? How was he effected so severely that his rights were violated? If those did not occur, then this is not the case to use to address those types of issues. Do these things happen? Yes. And you have to wait till they happen to address them.

So you seem to be saying this group of cops just got together and decided to go knocking on a door of a know gun carrier and ask if he fired shots? They had nothing better to do? At the least I am sure they were responding to some sort of call. Which would mean that them showing up was at least official. But when the OP decided to end the conversation, it ended. There are some obnoxious points to the encounter. But nothing I see getting any traction.

 

[ncwabbit]

sorry CJ, but when shots are fired in my neighborhood, i normally hear them and wonder about the shooter(s) and their intentions. However, to have three police officers out of the blue single the OP out to 'investigate' is out of character of police.

my contention is at least validate their intention(s) by getting their report and possibly discover the true reason for their visit.

wabbit

 

[bc.cruiser]

It having a tag allows the officer to be able to investigate further. The tag is state property. The same way a state trooper can show up at your house and take possession of a tag. Also sounds like the bike may have been parked in the state right of way.

WRONG!!

Officer #2 going down the street; Officer #1 lifted the MC cover (no indication of where the MC was parked). The officer had no knowledge of whether or not the MC even had a tag. If on private property he then had absolutely no business messing with it. Beyond that, what did the vehicles have to do with the purpose of the LEO visit?

I own two bikes (one's on E-bay [hint]). If I saw someone lifting a cover to check one of mine without it being on a public place and absent RAS/warrant, we would have immediate issues.

Grapeshot: If the OP didn't feel it necessary to overload the LEO with his bio, why would he do it here?

 

[Grapeshot]

--snip--

Grapeshot: If the OP didn't feel it necessary to overload the LEO with his bio, why would he do it here?

First time posters with unconfirmed drama/incidents are frequently not what they seem. A "It Happened To Me" post right out of the gate is a red flag. Without a history or other poster/user confirming his reliability, what do you have..........maybe an April Fool joke - note the date of the "incident."

I do not to condemn him nor accuse him - I ask for a credible response that I may confirm or deny material made available to me.
In retrospect, I should not have posed the questions on open forum - that was my mistake.

He is perfectly free to contact me by PM.

 

[bc.cruiser]

First time posters with unconfirmed drama/incidents are frequently not what they seem. A "It Happened To Me" post right out of the gate is a red flag. Without a history or other poster/user confirming his reliability, what do you have..........maybe an April Fool joke - note the date of the "incident."

Thanks for the response. Agreed about this sort of thing.

 

[ncwabbit]

the truth is out there

 

[chiefjason]

my contention is at least validate their intention(s) by getting their report and possibly discover the true reason for their visit.

wabbit

It was a slow day, nothing better to do? I've seen 3 cops show up on my street for stupid neighborhood kids stuff. Sometimes you're bored and everyone shows up. I hear gunshots regularly around here, but they typically come from the county area. They get my attention briefly and then I go on about my business. If someone fires a shot on my street, I bet I get a knock on the door too. I'm sure everyone on the PD knows I carry, seeing as I have dealt with half of them while OC'ing because of various issues. And everyone on the street knows I carry. Just another potential hassle associated with my choice to OC. I know it exists, and I do it anyway.

 

[rotorhead]

It having a tag allows the officer to be able to investigate further. The tag is state property. The same way a state trooper can show up at your house and take possession of a tag. Also sounds like the bike may have been parked in the state right of way.

Having a tag in no way authorizes an officer to conduct an illegal search. No State Trooper, without a warrant, is authorized to show up at your house and take possession of your tag without reason. This would still not authorize an officer to conduct a search of something not in plain sight without a proper warrant.

The post in question gave no indication of exactly where the motorcycle was parked, which is why I asked about it. But, even if parked in the street, that would not give an officer authorization to search it for things not in plain sight without a proper warrant, PC, or RAS, in much the same way that an officer cannot simply search your car during a traffic stop for things not in plain sight.

A tag does not waive one's rights and allow for illegal searches.

 

[jag06]

Just thought I would post a few places I have OC'ed recently that I have not OC'ed before. Last week I OC'ed at State Employees Credit Union at the Palladium shopping center off of Wendover in High Point. No issues there at all. Me and my brother have OC'ed at Mrs Winners on High Point Greensboro Rd near Jamestown a couple times. No issues there. In the last two weeks I was down in Archdale and OC'ed at the Bojangles there, no issues, in fact me and the guy at the counter talked guns for 10 minutes. Talked Glock (since he noticed thats what I had) and other gun brands for several minutes. Also talked about gunbroker.com and Buds Gun Shop. Had a good time talking with him. Today me and my brother went to Best Buy in Greensboro, both of us OC'ing, no issues there, even had to get an employee to help us find something. Glad the warm weather is here, much more comfortable to OC than CC.

 

[PrestonW]

First Timer Reports

Hello all, I've kinda slacked on getting this typed out. [I know, bad me.] I've been keeping an eye out for any signs and also keep fliers in my back pocket just incase.

4/4/2012
First time OCing off my property. Went to pick up my daughter from church then down to Cape Carteret Subway for food. Stayed in the car when picking up my daughter so I don't consider that really. In Subway the place was empty [about 2030], the guy behind the counter did a double take but said nothing, afterwards a couple other customers came in but said nothing. Then stopped by the Hess on 24 on my way home, paid at the pump and only had a couple pull into the pump behind me in an SUV but no reactions.

4/5/2012
Took my car down to Coastal Tires on 24, just before Bogue Field MCALF, to get some minor work done. Stood around in the lobby BSing with the lady at the desk as the workers walked past me a few times, then talked to the guy that worked on my car shortly about motorcycles as he handed back my keys. No reactions from anyone, but I'm down there semi-regularly between the vehicles. After that I did my first wally walk to pick up a couple more boxes of ammo for the range this weekend, felt good to be in a populated spot [even if it's Walmart] and not have anything negative happen.

4/6/2012
Another outing to Morehead City [this time with my wife and a friend], walked through Best Buy to check a few things before heading over to Walmart for food shopping, nothing negative that I noticed at either locations. By the time we were done it was going on 2000 so went over to Tsunami for takeout, should've known better to go on a friday night, saw no signs. Ordered and waited almost 50minutes for food before being able to leave and go home, place was packed and busy but no negative reactions.

All-in-all, a good start to OCing for me, haven't had my situational awareness up this high in some time.

 

[USMMA2011_Engine]

Greetings,
It's been a while since I've been on, I've been away for a little while. I just got home from running some errands and I had an uneventful encounter with a pair of State Troopers. I parked and walked into a Chickfila on the south end of Charlotte. I walked past their cruiser in order to enter. I noticed one went into the store behind me while the other stayed in the cruiser behind my vehicle. I ordered and paid for my food to go and left without issue, had a quick conversation with a mom carrying her newborn (I have recently become an uncle so I'm trying to help in any way possible). After leaving the officer who followed me in followed me out while keeping a 30ish yard tail. I placed my food in the passenger seat and turned around to give the officer a smile & wave, he then quickly veered off and went to his cruiser where his partner was talking on the vehicle's phone and looking at the computer. I was nervous because I hadn't had any encounter with a LEO while carrying and I'm sure they were just trying to ensure that I wasn't up to no good. It just struck me as an eventful non-event.
Thanks for reading, if y'all have any advice then please share. A question I have is if they ran my plates (cruiser was behind my vehicle) could anything come of this event?

Hopefully I hear about my CHP soon. Haha
Thanks again

 

[J_Oliver]

OC'd into the wilco on MLK in chapel hill today to pick up a hotdog for lunch and a pack of smokes. Actually got "the question" from a new employee there today. "Is that a real gun"? I couldn't help but ask if her register was real... she laughed as we discussed the legalities of carry. Gave her a pamphlet and the website, so hopefully we'll have a new member/OC'er soon! She proceeds to ask what I do for a living that allows me to carry a gun. I simply told her that I'm a maintenance engineer and the gun is for personal protection. All in all a pretty good lunch break.

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[1j9l9f0]

Well I got booted from the New Bern Mall. Well I have OC'ed in there often and no signs are ever posted, and there is a police station in the mall. So there I was walking around and we saw a uniformed police officer talking to the Mall Security guard and walked past them bout 20yards from them. I say we cause I was escorting my wife with her two female friends (lol, yeah lucky me). Then we leave one of the stores and one of the friends approaches the LEO while he is alone cause she knows him. I stop and face him strong side as to show him my weapon so that its visable *side question: Do I have to ensure LEO's can see it?*. Nothing comes of it. So we countinue shoping and we are in several stores for about 2 hours then go to get food in the 4 restraunt food court and out of no where I get a "HEY YOU!", I keep walking till I see him on the right coming towards me pointing at me "HEY you.", I stop and turn towards him. The following conversation happens:

Cop: "Do you know weapons are not allowed in here?"
Me: "No I do not."
Cop: "Yeah, its in the mall rules."
Me: "Yeah, well the doors are not posted, and those rules are not at every public entrance."
Cop: "Well its the rules and you can't have it in here."
Me: "No problem, I will go put it in the truck."
Cop: "Okay." Turns around and walks away.

I turned and went out the front entrance and secured the gun in the truck. When I returned I presented an empty holster to him cause he was waiting and staring at me when I walked back in. Cop shrugs, half smiles (internal dialog "Another citizen disarmed"), then says:

Cop: "Yeah, you should know most public places do not allow firearms by none LEO's."
Me: "Actually your wrong, but I have to go."
Cop: "You can't go into any private buisnesses, parks, and government buildings so pretty much everywhere doesn't allow it."
Me: "No, the law is that you can't go to private buisnesses if they post a sign on the public entrance that says so, public parks are allowed, and your right about government buildings, but I can Open Carry inside a Law Enforcement Facility.
Cop: "What are you like a gun freak or something?"
Me: "Well I am a gunsmith, and a active user of my 2nd Amendment rights."

Cop shrugged at me and waved me off kinda rudish, but walked away, hopefully a little more informed.

Questions:

-Do I have to disarm if the private stores do not mind me carrying as long as I do not enter the mall hallway area, or is all stores considered apart of the mall (this is probably a dumb question but there is a SEARS store there and its an honest question as to what is that policy?
-Am I in my right to correct him on his inaccuracies?
-Do I have to respond to "HEY YOU!"

 

[Grapeshot]

Well I got booted from the New Bern Mall. Well I have OC'ed in there often and no signs are ever posted, and there is a police station in the mall. So there I was walking around and we saw a uniformed police officer talking to the Mall Security guard and walked past them bout 20yards from them. I say we cause I was escorting my wife with her two female friends (lol, yeah lucky me). Then we leave one of the stores and one of the friends approaches the LEO while he is alone cause she knows him. I stop and face him strong side as to show him my weapon so that its visable *side question: Do I have to ensure LEO's can see it?*. Nothing comes of it. So we countinue shoping and we are in several stores for about 2 hours then go to get food in the 4 restraunt food court and out of no where I get a "HEY YOU!", I keep walking till I see him on the right coming towards me pointing at me "HEY you.", I stop and turn towards him. The following conversation happens:

Cop: "Do you know weapons are not allowed in here?"
Me: "No I do not."
Cop: "Yeah, its in the mall rules."
Me: "Yeah, well the doors are not posted, and those rules are not at every public entrance."
Cop: "Well its the rules and you can't have it in here."
Me: "No problem, I will go put it in the truck."
Cop: "Okay." Turns around and walks away.

I turned and went out the front entrance and secured the gun in the truck. When I returned I presented an empty holster to him cause he was waiting and staring at me when I walked back in. Cop shrugs, half smiles (internal dialog "Another citizen disarmed"), then says:

Cop: "Yeah, you should know most public places do not allow firearms by none LEO's."
Me: "Actually your wrong, but I have to go."
Cop: "You can't go into any private buisnesses, parks, and government buildings so pretty much everywhere doesn't allow it."
Me: "No, the law is that you can't go to private buisnesses if they post a sign on the public entrance that says so, public parks are allowed, and your right about government buildings, but I can Open Carry inside a Law Enforcement Facility.
Cop: "What are you like a gun freak or something?"
Me: "Well I am a gunsmith, and a active user of my 2nd Amendment rights."

Cop shrugged at me and waved me off kinda rudish, but walked away, hopefully a little more informed.

Questions:

-Do I have to disarm if the private stores do not mind me carrying as long as I do not enter the mall hallway area, or is all stores considered apart of the mall (this is probably a dumb question but there is a SEARS store there and its an honest question as to what is that policy?
-Am I in my right to correct him on his inaccuracies?
-Do I have to respond to "HEY YOU!"

In that my name is not Mr. Hey Yu, I would not respond either.

Stores with separate entrances are not covered by signage at the main entrances. Sears particularly has been gun friendly every where I have been.

It does hurt to have a polite conversation with mall security, might educate them/him some, but not likely you'll change his marching orders.

 

[bc.cruiser]

*side question: Do I have to ensure LEO's can see it*

-Do I have to disarm if the private stores do not mind me carrying as long as I do not enter the mall hallway area, or is all stores considered apart of the mall (this is probably a dumb question but there is a SEARS store there and its an honest question as to what is that policy?
-Am I in my right to correct him on his inaccuracies?
-Do I have to respond to "HEY YOU!"

Side question: No.
Disarm? Yes. Lease agreements by all the businesses in/on the property will include abiding by the posted rules. In practice, if you enter and leave by an unmarked door, and/or aren't seen by a mall cop, no harm.
Correction: Absolutely, for all the good it does.:banghead:
Respond: You did, didn't you? An alternative may be to wait until he grabs you from behind. "Holy crap officer, you scared me! (speaking to the idiot on the floor)" :lol::lol: