NC OC experience reports

[papa bear]

Yea, but the services they provide vs. the cost means I am not going to pay an extra $200+ per year in banking fees to move to a 'for profit' greedy corporate bank. Besides my trips into a branch office is at tops only about 3 times a year tops.

There are many other banks where you do not have to pay fees. Believe me I have three. But also you don't want to reward the bad behavior. That is how the Nazis got started

 

[XD40sc]

You accuse " 'for profit' corporate banks" of being "greedy", yet you will surrender your rights for $200+. We all have our priorities and you, of course, are free to do as you see fit. I would not surrender my rights for $200+. I would not do business with people like this and I would tell them why.

Your choice, my choice. I refuse to pay banks to allow them to use my money to make money, then go whining to the government for a bail out when they grossly mismanage that.

If you wonder about the "for profit" banks, check out how much the CEO's of these banks make, and guess where it comes from.

 

[XD40sc]

There are many other banks where you do not have to pay fees. Believe me I have three. But also you don't want to reward the bad behavior. That is how the Nazis got started

NCSECU is the new third reich :shocker:

 

[solus]

however, gut, et al., 'we' (collective we usage) do not have to go to theaters/sporting event, subscribe to cable TV, ad nauseum.

'we' do patronize, so we can function in this society's infrastructure, and utilize numerous entities who allows us to purchase gasoline, groceries, and yes, conduct banking activities. 'we' have a choice where to grace our smiles and spend our hard earned $$$ and these choices are weighed against those life experiences/prejudices/beliefs each and everyone holde dear.

For example, I bank in numerous locations, one of which i have not step foot across their threshold for almost 25 years, communicate by fone maybe once a year? another of my banking institutions i frequent actually put up no OC or CC signs when they discerned they could not get rid of me as a customer ~ i use the drive through for my infrequent banking activities at this CU, just cuz i can! I went into SECU because i can OC/CC as the whim strikes me and it is close by. I must now weigh since the original choice was cuz i could against now i can't and the impact of once again putting my personal information 'into the system' and running through the goat rope of changing automatic inbound $$. right now...status quo is going to be currently maintained as they nor any customer for that matter, didn't say a word when a couple of days ago i walked through their entire building seeking someone who could answer my question.

I mentioned beliefs, one of my personal beliefs is to not frequent those businesses which openly discriminate against and specifically encroach or deny LGBT rights. I do the majority of my grocery (and gas fill-ups) shopping at Sams/WW or if i have a hankering for a full sized tart, toddle further over to HT. These entities cater to MY personal belief (not right but belief) that mine and those i hold dear require MY ability to provide for their personal safety while out and about in the community as well as support my personal belief about LGBT rights. therefore, for me it is a complete WIN/WIN and i drive several miles out of my way to happily provide my $$$$ to them even tho there might be someone nearer who sells cheaper.

BTW...understand, I will not personally entertain any discussion about my right against my belief regarding firearm carry and your perceptions of same!

ipse

addendum...SAMS & WW, in some location sell petrol!! and i watch the local TV across the airwaves. I do expend my monies to have active ISP...gotta love Al's invention!!

 

[XD40sc]

OK, I see your point. I guess you don't watch professionals sporting events, where athletes are paid millions or attend movies that have overpaid actors. Where do you buy your gasoline? Surely, not from some oil company with a highly paid CEO. I suppose you work for free or give all your money to charity. Oh wait, your money goes to support a CU that denies people's rights, so you can save $200. Greedy indeed!

I don't watch sports (for profit corporations), I haven't been to a movie in decades, I don't buy into the hype about gasoline ads on TV, but buy at no-name stations, which are always cheaper. There is not a "sports star" or actor that is worth walking across the street for and I am just amazed at people who idolize these people, who in turn don't give a damn about them.

A CU is a "not" for profit organization, and I don't support them, and I don't pay them a damn thing, I just use their services, and they pay me interest comparable to any bank around.

 

[WalkingWolf]

I have always and will continue to beat my personal/free choice drum. I will tell no one where to spend their money, and tell those who tell me to pound sand. Whether you agree with someone or not, it is not your choice, it is theirs. Trying to shove someone in one direction is exactly what government does.

 

[solus]

Sat went to breakfast in goldsboro at some hole in the wall across from the relatively new dick's and the brand new pet's mart and nada was said and breakfast darn good!

went to pet's mart and nobody say a word, except as i was checking out i heard from behind me "what kind of gun is that!!!" oppps...here we go...someone is about to take exception to my OC'g in the store!!!!

no i was pleasantly surprised when a very kute and demure young lady (employee) was asking and it turned into a gaggle of discussion from customers and other employees alike, including one of the managers, about NC's OC practices. she carries, only CC's a ruger 1911, (wow cuz she was very petite) and she and her husband hadn't OC'd in the area cuz her CHP instructor told them it was illegal!! bloody savant ...geez...

ipse

 

[nobama]

Sat went to breakfast in goldsboro at some hole in the wall across from the relatively new dick's and the brand new pet's mart and nada was said and breakfast darn good!

went to pet's mart and nobody say a word, except as i was checking out i heard from behind me "what kind of gun is that!!!" oppps...here we go...someone is about to take exception to my OC'g in the store!!!!

no i was pleasantly surprised when a very kute and demure young lady (employee) was asking and it turned into a gaggle of discussion from customers and other employees alike, including one of the managers, about NC's OC practices. she carries, only CC's a ruger 1911, (wow cuz she was very petite) and she and her husband hadn't OC'd in the area cuz her CHP instructor told them it was illegal!! bloody savant ...geez...

ipse

Why do some CC instructors say things like that? Do they really believe its not legal, or are they just keeping people from OCing? Blows my mind and kind of pi$$es me off.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Why do some CC instructors say things like that? Do they really believe its not legal, or are they just keeping people from OCing? Blows my mind and kind of pi$$es me off.

Hey they have to pay the rent, and buy food too...

 

[solus]

additionally, wethepeople, remember in nc initially the majority of those that taught CHP were LEs who initially did not feel NC citizens should carry a firearm at all but recognized the $$$ to be made. in this area a goldsboro police sgt had to go to court against the city, the chief, and city manager, to be able to moonlight to teach CHP to citizens. http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-4th-circuit/1390471.html.

unfortunately, since the CHP's use of deadly force is taught by NC DoJ instructors, i am sure there could be some unintentional misinformation presented about citizens ability to OC in NC during their courses.

ipse

 

[solus]

Don't dismiss the possibility that some students misunderstand what the instructors say or that their attention strays. Neither you nor I were present and can't be sure what happened to cause the incorrect impression by that person.

naw'lll gutshot, while you're right we weren't there, but i am sure some of the good olde LE instructors don't even mention it, especially since it is not specifically part of the CHP curriculum, but the NC CHP culture arose from the bowels of the good olde boy LE instructors only teaching the course, CHP instructors are still taught by DoJ LE instructors, and i have personally heard the comment too many times from NC citizens as i wander OC'g to mark it off as their inattention or misunderstanding, it is too pervasive.

ipse

 

[WalkingWolf]

naw'lll gutshot, while you're right we weren't there, but i am sure some of the good olde LE instructors don't even mention it, especially since it is not specifically part of the CHP curriculum, but the NC CHP culture arose from the bowels of the good olde boy LE instructors only teaching the course, CHP instructors are still taught by DoJ LE instructors, and i have personally heard the comment too many times from NC citizens as i wander OC'g to mark it off as their inattention or misunderstanding, it is too pervasive.

ipse

One person misunderstanding, maybe? But the claim to keep coming up over, and over, and over again we can see a pattern. And it is not just the state of NC, it seems it is common to discourage OC by instructors.

 

[Liberty-or-Death]

My CHP instructor saw me enter the classroom OCing, asked me to put it in my vehicle. I couldn't understand why the only firearms in the class were projected on screen.

 

[solus]

My CHP instructor saw me enter the classroom OCing, asked me to put it in my vehicle. I couldn't understand why the only firearms in the class were projected on screen.

recently? it sounds like the olde DOJ cd and your instructor was a LE who didn't know squat how to conduct a firearm class??

if you were instructed by an NRA instructor, NRA standards state there are there is no live ammo allowed in classrooms. I know of instructors who will allow student's firearms in the classroom after they are cleared and verified, then they are then put with the other firearms and used by the class members for show and tell.

personally, i would think it would be bad practice to have ammo in the classroom with novice students and their guns.

if mem serves, there was a problem during a bellingham washington state pistol class in '13 where the 65yo took his own life during the loading exercise.

ipse

 

[papa bear]

recently? it sounds like the olde DOJ cd and your instructor was a LE who didn't know squat how to conduct a firearm class??

if you were instructed by an NRA instructor, NRA standards state there are there is no live ammo allowed in classrooms. I know of instructors who will allow student's firearms in the classroom after they are cleared and verified, then they are then put with the other firearms and used by the class members for show and tell.

personally, i would think it would be bad practice to have ammo in the classroom with novice students and their guns.

if mem serves, there was a problem during a bellingham washington state pistol class in '13 where the 65yo took his own life during the loading exercise.

ipse

The CCP class I went to didn't say a thing. though I think the instructor was pro OC. but, personally I think they are out of their tree. A holstered firearm never hurt anybody, and anybody that OCs should know not to draw it. unless they are in need to

 

[solus]

The CCP class I went to didn't say a thing. though I think the instructor was pro OC. but, personally I think they are out of their tree. A holstered firearm never hurt anybody, and anybody that OCs should know not to draw it. unless they are in need to

Papa, not sure i understand the 'out of their tree' comment..
however, how long ago was your CHP class and during your CHP class did they use a DVD or were you shown and allowed to handle actual firearms, were you shown ammo, was there significant discussion on firearm safety, was there discussion of the laws of deadly force ~ to include discussion of the laws associated with improper use of firearms; did your instructor discuss trespass, simple assault, defending others, citizen's arrest (not an option in NC detainment with very strict criteria to be followed), and finally how in depth of a discussion did your instructor go regarding the four criteria to discern if your use of a firearm in a SD situation was enough to get you off the judicial 'hook', so to speak.

was the class 8 hours long PLUS RANGE TIME during which timer were you shown proper grip, firearm safety, etc., and did you shoot at targets 3, 5, 7 yards for a minimum of 50 rounds?

Finally, did the instructor go over the DOJ's instructor survey with you?

if not papa, then according to gutshot, you were inattentive or misunderstood what the instructor presented....shame on you papa, shame...

papa, while my post was initially rhetoric in nature, i would be quite interested in feedback if you care to share here or by PM, thanks!!

ipse

 

[PLUR]

My usual stop for gas has been sold to foreign interests, rumors going around that the old owner had ties to ISIS (small town ********).

I went in there unaware of the change of ownership but noticed a new guy/kid standing behind the register. I asked him how things were going on my way in and walked to the back for a cold drink. When I made it back up front I asked him again and got no response and honestly thought the guy might not know English that well. He rings me up and I step towards the door to leave when he finally says something.

"Is that real?"

I explained that yes it was, and that carrying around a fake gun is something only an idiot would do. Turns out the kid hasn't been in the country for longer than a month. I explained NC guns laws to him as best I could. He was under the impression that I was going to the range at first. I told him no, I have a range in the backyard where I do my practice and I carry just about all of the time. I told him that I frequent this store because the old owners were very pro-gun and would actually have me hang around during closing hours while they counted up the money and locked the place down (I've been going in there for 15+ years).

Anyway the kid is just shy of 21 but says he wants to get a pistol purchase permit as soon as his birthday comes around. He also told me they have no plans of putting up signage or not allowing people in there that carry. He thinks it'd be bad for business.

Also while I didn't mean to give him this impression he told me that America is really the "wild west". I suppose a man with my accent that buys Marlboro reds, lights them with a zippo, then proceeds to have a 10 minute discussion about gun rights is a little outside of the norm for him. I had a bit of a laugh about it after I left for sure considering it was just a normal Sunday afternoon for me.

Oh well, aside from that nothing to report. Well I did almost screw up and take mine into a restaurant that served alcohol but the crisis was averted. Damn shame though because I love the pizza.

 

[WalkingWolf]

My usual stop for gas has been sold to foreign interests, rumors going around that the old owner had ties to ISIS (small town ********).

I went in there unaware of the change of ownership but noticed a new guy/kid standing behind the register. I asked him how things were going on my way in and walked to the back for a cold drink. When I made it back up front I asked him again and got no response and honestly thought the guy might not know English that well. He rings me up and I step towards the door to leave when he finally says something.

"Is that real?"

I explained that yes it was, and that carrying around a fake gun is something only an idiot would do. Turns out the kid hasn't been in the country for longer than a month. I explained NC guns laws to him as best I could. He was under the impression that I was going to the range at first. I told him no, I have a range in the backyard where I do my practice and I carry just about all of the time. I told him that I frequent this store because the old owners were very pro-gun and would actually have me hang around during closing hours while they counted up the money and locked the place down (I've been going in there for 15+ years).

Anyway the kid is just shy of 21 but says he wants to get a pistol purchase permit as soon as his birthday comes around. He also told me they have no plans of putting up signage or not allowing people in there that carry. He thinks it'd be bad for business.

Also while I didn't mean to give him this impression he told me that America is really the "wild west". I suppose a man with my accent that buys Marlboro reds, lights them with a zippo, then proceeds to have a 10 minute discussion about gun rights is a little outside of the norm for him. I had a bit of a laugh about it after I left for sure considering it was just a normal Sunday afternoon for me.

Oh well, aside from that nothing to report. Well I did almost screw up and take mine into a restaurant that served alcohol but the crisis was averted. Damn shame though because I love the pizza.

You can ask to OC in a restaurant that serves alcohol. I do it all the time. Make sure you ask a manager, or a owner though for permission. But cowboys from the Wild West do not eat Pizza...

 

[PLUR]

You can ask to OC in a restaurant that serves alcohol. I do it all the time. Make sure you ask a manager, or a owner though for permission. But cowboys from the Wild West do not eat Pizza...

I thought state law trumped that? I didn't even think to ask just went somewhere else.

I agree btw I'm no cowboy. My grandfather was but I'm nowhere near that tough.

 

[WalkingWolf]

I thought state law trumped that? I didn't even think to ask just went somewhere else.

I agree btw I'm no cowboy. My grandfather was but I'm nowhere near that tough.

It is written right into the law, a proprietor or the person in charge of the event can give permission. I will dig for it again and post it.



§ 14-269.3. Carrying weapons into assemblies and establishments where alcoholic beverages are sold and consumed.

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry any gun, rifle, or pistol into any assembly where a fee has been charged for admission thereto, or into any establishment in which alcoholic beverages are sold and consumed. Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

(b) This section shall not apply to any of the following:

(1) A person exempted from the provisions of G.S. 14-269.

(2) The owner or lessee of the premises or business establishment.

(3) A person participating in the event, if the person is carrying a gun, rifle, or pistol with the permission of the owner, lessee, or person or organization sponsoring the event.

(4) A person registered or hired as a security guard by the owner, lessee, or person or organization sponsoring the event.

(5) A person carrying a handgun if the person has a valid concealed handgun permit issued in accordance with Article 54B of this Chapter, has a concealed handgun permit considered valid under G.S. 14-415.24, or is exempt from obtaining a permit pursuant to G.S. 14-415.25. This subdivision shall not be construed to permit a person to carry a handgun on any premises where the person in legal possession or control of the premises has posted a conspicuous notice prohibiting the carrying of a concealed handgun on the premises in accordance with G.S. 14-415.11(c). (1977, c. 1016, s. 1; 1981, c. 412, s. 4; c. 747, s. 66; 1993, c. 539, s. 165; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 2013-369, s. 3.)

Event is not defined in NC statutes, and dinner is an event.