If I decide to carry my 1911 I start out in condition 1. However, after getting in and out of my vehicle, moving around, bending over, etc. the manual safety usually gets moved to the off position. I'm not concerned at all about this due to the additional safety features, such as, the grip safety and trigger. Of course, the best safety feature is the one between your ears.
With the manual safety off two things must happen in order for the 1911 to go BANG. 1) is that the grip safety must be depressed and, 2) the trigger must be depressed as well. If you are able to depress the trigger without disengaging the grip safety then you should not be carrying the gun until the problem has been resolved.
I fail to understand the differences with carrying a 1911 in condition 0 and carrying my Glock with one in the pipe.
Their three safety system is explained on their site: http://www.glock.com/english/index_pistols.htmGo to "Glock Advantage" on the left. The first is the trigger safety which doesn't allow lateral depression of the trigger. Thesecond safety is a firing pin block when the trigger is released it automatically blocks the firing pin. Thethird is the drop safety. One, two, three, yup that's three, and there's evidence of such, so pardon my rudeness, WTF are you talking about?P.S.... I am not exactly sure why Glock is able to confuse so many people abut the nature of their lockworks, but they have even managed to convince people that they have THREE safety systems. I am certainly dumbfounded by this success in marketing without proper evidence of there really being any such stuff inside the pistol.
You defend the Glock based on design mechanics and then offer tired emotional reasons opposing the 1911 being carried as designed.para_org wrote:Their three safety system is explained on their site: http://www.glock.com/english/index_pistols.htmGo to "Glock Advantage" on the left. The first is the trigger safety which doesn't allow lateral depression of the trigger. Thesecond safety is a firing pin block when the trigger is released it automatically blocks the firing pin. Thethird is the drop safety. One, two, three, yup that's three, and there's evidence of such, so pardon my rudeness, WTF are you talking about?P.S.... I am not exactly sure why Glock is able to confuse so many people abut the nature of their lockworks, but they have even managed to convince people that they have THREE safety systems. I am certainly dumbfounded by this success in marketing without proper evidence of there really being any such stuff inside the pistol.
I've never had an issue with my glock, I've never seen a glock discharge from being bumped, run over, or otherwise abused. I have seen NDs from people not keeping trigger finger awareness, but that's not the fault of the gun, that's the fault of the shooter. This is the same BS argument that AR guys make against 1lb trigger pulls on assault weapons saying it's too light and risks NDs. It's onlya risk if the shooter is not well trained.
As to the topic, I would never carry a 1911 with the hammer back for two reasons. One, people know what it means when you cock the hammer back on a 1911 and is similar to showing your intent as charging your rifle or racking your pumpand could dissolve a situation without having to fire. Two, if needed it takes me the same amount of time to draw as it does to cock the hammer at the same time.
+1...finding your 1911 safety off.....I was having this same problem on my PT1911 with the big ambi paddles (on both sides)...problem went away when I removed the "wrong" side safety paddle (the one of the right side for the lefty/ weakside thumb). Now I can carry the way God intended, cond 1...cocked, locked and loaded and never find the safety clicked off unintentionally.
same here...it was a mystery to me which side was knocking it off, till I simply took off the grip plate, pulled out the right paddle and put the grip plate back on. Before, finding safety off happened every other day...it has been 2 months now since the "ambi-ectomy" and no issues. So, for me at least, it was the paddle on the outside catching stuff. Probably the same stuff that cuts a little hole in all my shirts when I hit something with my gun. Have a regular thumb safety coming to provide perm cure.Damn ambi safeties always get knocked off by obstacles encountered thanks to your gun hanging off your belt. At least, that's how it happens for me.
A better more positive detent will do the same thing w/o sacrificing any loss of functionality.same here...it was a mystery to me which side was knocking it off, till I simply took off the grip plate, pulled out the right paddle and put the grip plate back on. Before, finding safety off happened every other day...it has been 2 months now since the "ambi-ectomy" and no issues. So, for me at least, it was the paddle on the outside catching stuff. Probably the same stuff that cuts a little hole in all my shirts when I hit something with my gun. Have a regular thumb safety coming to provide perm cure.Damn ambi safeties always get knocked off by obstacles encountered thanks to your gun hanging off your belt. At least, that's how it happens for me.
Phrases like "people know what it means" and "showing your intent" is disingenuous at best in this application.
The corollary to charging your rifle or racking your pump is actively racking a 1911 NOT carrying one passively in a holster!
I understand that, sorry I should've been more indepth. When you draw the 1911 and pull the hammer back allowing the person you're taking aim at to see that you're doing so, you're getting the same effect. I did not mean that it was the equivelant while carried in a holster.
Cocking the hammer neither takes the same time nor the same amount of coordination. More pointedly, I consider it very bad advice to carry any single action gun with the hammer down on a live round regardless of mechanical safeties - ymmv but not mine.
So you would carry a single action revolver with the hammer back?
If you have neither the confidence in a certain gun nor your ability to safely handle it, then by all means carry something else.
That's why I carry a Glock. Honestly I was just answering the fallacy that Glock doesn't actually have three safeties and provides no evidence of their safeties, and threw the last bit in to stay on topic.I like 1911s and have an old Colt GI model, but do not feel comfortable with carrying it. Besides, round caps too small. :lol:
What misinformation? I wrote an opinion on how I feel the 1911 can safely be utilized which is what the OP asked for.Candidly, your words do you a disservice, sir. They are the same disinformation more commonly attributed to the "other side."
Really don't care what your buds say, I think you're alright.Grapeshot wrote:Phrases like "people know what it means" and "showing your intent" is disingenuous at best in this application.
The corollary to charging your rifle or racking your pump is actively racking a 1911 NOT carrying one passively in a holster!I understand that, sorry I should've been more indepth. When you draw the 1911 and pull the hammer back allowing the person you're taking aim at to see that you're doing so, you're getting the same effect. I did not mean that it was the equivelant while carried in a holster.
Still think it bad advice/comparison for the street.Cocking the hammer neither takes the same time nor the same amount of coordination. More pointedly, I consider it very bad advice to carry any single action gun with the hammer down on a live round regardless of mechanical safeties - ymmv but not mine.So you would carry a single action revolver with the hammer back?
New style with safety bar and firing pin yes - old style would be strictly 5 beans in a barrel - hammer on empty.If you have neither the confidence in a certain gun nor your ability to safely handle it, then by all means carry something else.That's why I carry a Glock. Honestly I was just answering the fallacy that Glock doesn't actually have three safeties and provides no evidence of their safeties, and threw the last bit in to stay on topic.I like 1911s and have an old Colt GI model, but do not feel comfortable with carrying it. Besides, round caps too small. :lol:
When you get back, I may offer you a trade for a piece of plastic.What misinformation? I wrote an opinion on how I feel the 1911 can safely be utilized which is what the OP asked for.Candidly, your words do you a disservice, sir. They are the same disinformation more commonly attributed to the "other side."
Quote: "I would never carry a 1911 with the hammer back for the following reasons" - doesn't read much like an opinion, IMO
For many people, I'm sure. Mine had a decent detent, and I still had this problem.windage wrote:A better more positive detent will do the same thing w/o sacrificing any loss of functionality.same here...it was a mystery to me which side was knocking it off, till I simply took off the grip plate, pulled out the right paddle and put the grip plate back on. Before, finding safety off happened every other day...it has been 2 months now since the "ambi-ectomy" and no issues. So, for me at least, it was the paddle on the outside catching stuff. Probably the same stuff that cuts a little hole in all my shirts when I hit something with my gun. Have a regular thumb safety coming to provide perm cure.Damn ambi safeties always get knocked off by obstacles encountered thanks to your gun hanging off your belt. At least, that's how it happens for me.
None of mine swipe off ever.
Yata hey