62 percent of Americans say Confederate statues should remain

[countryclubjoe]

Joe,
I don't have the book to offer a cite right now, however, I will provide it this evening. But your comment about Jackson vehemently opposed to any education of slaves is flat out wrong. Prior to the War of Northern Aggression, Thomas Jackson actually established a Sunday school class in his church in Lexington to provide for the religious education of slaves. He also provided financial compensation during the war with the expressed intent for the money to purchase materials for the religious education of the slaves in that class.

Upon deeper research some historians credit Mr.Jackson with actual teaching and reading to his slaves, which as we know, was a criminal offense at that time..

Therefore I stand corrected On Mr.Jackson... If a man would risk his freedom via teaching those not entitled to be taught... I surely extend the utmost respect..

Im off to do some extra research... Sometimes what we think we know, is really nothing at all.

Thank you Scooter!

My .02
CCJ

 

[countryclubjoe]

Robert E. Lee was a Virginian first, an American second. A sentiment that yankees lacked in 1850. Yankees have always been, in my view, more willing to supplicate at the feet of government. Rugged individualism requires that a citizen be willing to risk their life, liberty, and sacred honor in the quest for individual liberty. The majority of Southerners and our fellow citizens who moved west have this rugged individualism.

Yankees, not so much. The Boston Constitution Suspension Event is one example of yankees deferring to the state. Fortunately, I believe Robert E. Lee would not approve of the removal of these monuments, but he would not take up arms to prevent their removal either.

OC, no disrespect but one cannot defend individual liberty, if one owns slaves or fights in defense of someone that owns slaves..
Unless of course you think in 1860, individual liberty meant, owning and trading people flogging people, buying and selling people, not allowing people to read and write.. Even for folks that view slavery thru opaque eyes, when the word 'slave" is replaced with " a person or people" A reasonable minded
person will see the horrors of such villainous actions..

Therefore in 1860, "individual liberty" meant defending oneself and ones hen roosts while buying people, selling people, earning from the labor of people, or put another way " maintaining slavery"'..

Paying homage to folks that owned and repressed and flogged PEOPLE, YES PEOPLE. Is repugnant to human morality, is preternatural and has no place in a society that calls itself the land of a free people. Some say SLAVES, God fearing folks say, PEOPLE!

My .02
CCJ

 

[solus]

snip rambling tirate

There is no doubt that FDR had a long time mistress. Ditto JFK and LBJ. Bill Clinton not only has had numerous affairs, but also committed perjury regarding sexual assault, for which he was impeached and disbarred. Even the Rev. Dr. MLK had extramarital affairs.

snip...has nothing to do with subject

it’s not accurate to say that he was disbarred from either the Supreme Court or from practicing law in Arkansas. Clinton’s license was suspended in Arkansas, but he was not disbarred.

The president was acquitted on both articles of impeachment!

please mate, do try to get your history correct as it discredits all the other small minded blather you post out here!

snipped as there is no reason to repeat an insult!!.

1-Of course the president was acquitted on both counts. That is why I wrote "impeachment" rather than "impeached and convicted". snipp

2-Clinton was disbarred from the Supreme Court and then he asked to resign his license to practice before the court. "In October 2001, the United States Supreme Court barred former President Bill Clinton from practicing before it.[6] He then resigned from the Supreme Court bar in November.[7]" Wikipdia. See also The New York Times.

2-Bill Clinton's Arkansas Law License was suspended for 5 years and he was fined $25,000. Same The New York Times article as above.

3-"Suspension and temporary disbarment mean the same thing." Ask a Lawyer article.

4-You have provided materially false information in claiming Bill Clinton was not disbarred from the Supreme Court, and you've pick nits over whether a disbarment in Arkansas was a "disbarment", a "temporary disbarment", or a "suspension". snipp as political leaders moral attributes, or lack therein are germain.

You've lobbed insults at me hypocritically deriding what you see as a factual error even as your post contained factual errors, and is non-formatted in such a way that any grammar school teacher would hand your paper back to you to do over. But despite your mangling of proper English usage, you feel some need to claim superior knowledge over how data should be presented? And all this contributed what, exactly to the discussion?

Please find a different hobby. These personal attacks--despite being permitted by our mods--do not elevate you in any way.

now Charles, you are unable to remember what you actually posted so i have taken the liberty of posting your commentary in toto:

1. no sir, that is a bald face lie as you did not use the word impeachment!

2. no sir, President Clinton resigned before, let me repeat that B E F O R E SC ruling could be affected.

2/3. no sir, the two words mean entirely different things in the legal world.
disbar: In America, the word describes the act of a court in withdrawing from an attorney the right to practise at its bar. Law Dictionary: What is DISBAR? definition of DISBAR (Black's Law Dictionary)

suspension: To interrupt; to cause to cease for a time; to stay, delay, or hinder; to discontinue temporarily, but with an expectation or purpose of resumption. Law Dictionary: What is SUSPEND? definition of SUSPEND (Black's Law Dictionary)

President Clinton in 2001 one accepted a F I V E year suspension of his license!

4. no sir, i have not materially misrepresented the facts whatsoever...YOU however sir, can't even get your own statements correct.

finally, again regaling the playground taunts when someone challenges the continued misinformation you post as absolutely inviolable yet as shown yet again...you have failed.

sidebar ~ Hillary's Arkansas law license was also suspended in 2002 for failure to maintain continuing education requirements.

IPSE

 

[utbagpiper]

1. no sir, that is a bald face lie as you did not use the word impeachment!

You are claiming the difference between "impeached" and "impeachment" is a "bald faced lie"? Clinton was impeached. He was not convicted, not removed from office.

2. no sir, President Clinton resigned before, let me repeat that B E F O R E SC ruling could be affected.

Do feel free to provide a citation of more credible authority than the citation I provided. The empathic assertions of someone who can't figure out proper use of capitalization is even less credible than mainstream media reports.

2/3. no sir, the two words mean entirely different things in the legal world.
disbar: In America, the word describes the act of a court in withdrawing from an attorney the right to practise at its bar. Law Dictionary: What is DISBAR? definition of DISBAR (Black's Law Dictionary)

suspension: To interrupt; to cause to cease for a time; to stay, delay, or hinder; to discontinue temporarily, but with an expectation or purpose of resumption. Law Dictionary: What is SUSPEND? definition of SUSPEND (Black's Law Dictionary)

President Clinton in 2001 one accepted a F I V E year suspension of his license!

I provided the citation for the near synonymous use of the words. And the difference between permanent ban and temporary ban is not "entirely different" except to small minded persons trying to pick nits.

4. no sir, i have not materially misrepresented the facts whatsoever...YOU however sir, can't even get your own statements correct.

You need to get a new hobby. You've yet to point out a single material error in my posts on this thread. And even if you did find a material error in some claim about Clinton's history, it would be immaterial to my thesis which you have entirely missed.

finally, again regaling the playground taunts when someone challenges the continued misinformation you post as absolutely inviolable yet as shown yet again...you have failed.

Misinformation like claiming a violent carjacker is just playing grab [butt] with his victim? Or that said carjacker didn't fully deserve to get shot by the good Samaritan who intervened to protect the victim?

I get it. You hate that I don't abide your moral standards of respecting private property rights of anti-gun businesses. I obey the laws and do so without rubbing anyone's nose it. I am not obliged to live my life by your standards and you are not empowered to dictate your morals to me. So, I suggest you get over yourself, accept that you are completely impotent to change my lawful conduct and stop making yourself look foolish by picking nits every time I post something.

 

[solus]

Charles, did you even read what you posted in post 6 where you used the word 'impeach' yet in your post 24 you unequivocally state you W R O T E 'impeachment'! different words and meanings.

Charles, did you not unequivocally state in post 24 # 3: Suspension and temporary disbarment mean the same thing yet now assert the words are quote: " near synonymous" REALLY? BTW some how, black's law dictionary seems a bit more reliable and viable cite than some attorney advertisement site.

"Former President Clinton hereby respectfully requests to resign from the bar of this court," his lawyer, David Kendall, said in a two-page letter to the high court's clerk. Kendall did not elaborate on why Clinton decided to resign. Clinton's resignation from the Supreme Court bar will have little practical impact. Clinton has not practiced before the Supreme Court and was not expected to argue any cases in the future." LA TIMEs

Charles, material errors still equals misinformation being posted on public forums which could mislead those readers who read your misleading nonsense.

before you scream violation of forum rules, the forum rules specifically (5) CITE TO AUTHORITY: If you state a rule of law, it is incumbent upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when available,is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.

if memory serves, i believe you, in fact, were the one who specifically and pointedly shoved that in everyone's faces almost a year ago to keep from providing cites when challenged over your BS postings.

finally Charles, while i am personally and sorely disappointed you do not have a clue, i understand completely and am not discouraged.

 

[utbagpiper]

Charles, did you even read what you posted in post 6 where you used the word 'impeach' yet in your post 24 you unequivocally state you W R O T E 'impeachment'! different words and meanings.

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finally Charles, while i am personally and sorely disappointed you do not have a clue, i understand completely and am not discouraged.

It seems personal insults continue to be permissible as long as they are made by and directed toward certain members rather than others.

But to the point, what exactly is the point of your posts here other than to be the very fulfillment of Isaiah 29:21?

I hope you had as nice a holiday as I did. I had a lovely Labor Day that included a party stocked almost entirely from Costco. Made the trip late last week well armed, not much concealed. Store was packed. Multiple employees greeted my wife and me by name. We exchanged pleasantries. Nobody said word one about my self-defense. I do so love living in Utah and wish you all the best in your neck of the woods.

 

[Grapeshot]

There is no personal insult directed towards user Utbagpiper.

Way to much thread drift - locking it.