Primus
Regular Member
How is your gun going to help you if you are tripping on 3-grams of mushrooms? If you regularly trip like that maybe you shouldn't carry.... shoot someone thinking they are a dragon attacking you...
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How do you justify OC?
- Thread starter HearseGuy
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How is your gun going to help you if you are tripping on 3-grams of mushrooms? If you regularly trip like that maybe you shouldn't carry.... shoot someone thinking they are a dragon attacking you...
BadLandsDillon
New member
Have you ever even tripped on 3 grams of shrooms?
You will explore your mind pretty deep on shrooms but when your mind needs to function, it ZAPS you back to reality and provides you with senses, accuracy and situational awareness that most sober people will never achieve in their entire lives.
I had a friend in my Infantry company eat about a gram before we went to a live-fire range one day on Ft. Campbell (he had a bit of an apathy issue). He held his composure around toxic, angry NCO's throughout the day, shot expert with his M4 and even completed our 10 mile road march with 70+ pounds of equipment plus his assistant gunner load out.
Obviously I'm not about to carry a firearm in public while on Shrooms or Acid and I certainly don't advocate doing so, but it can be safely achieved provided you have the right mindset.
I'm really not trying to get into a debate about mixing mind altering substances with firearms. Some people can do it in a safer manner than even some sober people, others should avoid mixing the two completely.
And DON'T think I'm advocating the act just because I'm educating you on the act.
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WalkingWolf
Regular Member
:lol: Now that's some funny stuff right there, I don't care who you are. :lol:
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
For once I agree with you, it is totally ignorant and very reckless to carry while tripping on anything. Not to mention illegal in some states.
BadLandsDillon
New member
Funny to those who simply don't know.
BadLandsDillon
New member
I think it's actually illegal to own a firearm if you are a habitual user of any substance period.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
You cannot buy a firearm from a FFL per form 4473, but I do not believe they can take firearms because you are suspected of substance abuse. I doubt many abusers check that box on the form though.
marshaul
Campaign Veteran
Perspective is a powerful thing.
IMHO, a good many of those in so-called "denial" are in truth wholly correct in their judgment of their own self-control. Of course, a great many are, truthfully, wrong in their judgment and are in denial. The incredible difficulty for anyone "outside looking in" to differentiate between these cases results in the tendency for prohibitionists to adopt a zero-tolerance mindset, presumably out of some warped sense of "fairness". (Since anyone "could" be an abuser, we must assume everyone is a potential abuser.
)This is why I do not believe it is within government's rightful power (or practical ability) to prohibit the use (or abuse) of drugs, alcohol, etc.
On the other hand, the mala in se acts which – supposedly – result from drug and alcohol use/abuse are easily judged by any outsider, and are not unreasonable targets for government action. (For instance, theft is a demonstrable, objective fact.)
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OC for ME
Regular Member
Justifying OC? Uh, cuz I can.
High schoolers will be better able to afford drugs once they become legal due to the price drop as market forces take hold of that consumer product segment. I see a great many jobs being created as a result of drugs becoming legal.
High schoolers will be better able to afford drugs once they become legal due to the price drop as market forces take hold of that consumer product segment. I see a great many jobs being created as a result of drugs becoming legal.
marshaul
Campaign Veteran
That may be.
On the other hand, in my high school days I remember that drugs (including several hard drugs) were far easier for most kids to obtain than alcohol.
BadLandsDillon
New member
Just as they always will be!
.45acp
Regular Member
I live in Utah, I have never felt the need to justify a legal and law abiding action. Surprisingly, I have not been asked in quite awhile.
I do have a CWP, and carry OC most of the time, in cold weather I CC.
I don't justify either, it is what suits me per it situation.
I do have a CWP, and carry OC most of the time, in cold weather I CC.
I don't justify either, it is what suits me per it situation.
Seif5034
Regular Member
Why do I OC?
I stand behind the fact that I don't need anyone's permission to carry. I feel like requiring people to get a CCW is an infringement. I love being able to tell people that they don't need a permit to carry a gun & I am proof of that fact. I wouldn't mind having the option to conceal my gun, but I have trouble finding the extra money and time to take a class and ask the government for their permission if I can accomplish the same goal right now.
I also believe that me OCing is a deterrent to crime. I am just about positive that if a person is about to commit a crime and sees me first, they are VERY likely to reconsider their actions.
OC (to me) is comfortable and easy. I don't need to buy/wear specific clothing, or worry about my gun placement or whether or not I am printing.
I'm former Military as well, all my training was OC, not CC so I'm more familiar with OC.
I stand behind the fact that I don't need anyone's permission to carry. I feel like requiring people to get a CCW is an infringement. I love being able to tell people that they don't need a permit to carry a gun & I am proof of that fact. I wouldn't mind having the option to conceal my gun, but I have trouble finding the extra money and time to take a class and ask the government for their permission if I can accomplish the same goal right now.
I also believe that me OCing is a deterrent to crime. I am just about positive that if a person is about to commit a crime and sees me first, they are VERY likely to reconsider their actions.
OC (to me) is comfortable and easy. I don't need to buy/wear specific clothing, or worry about my gun placement or whether or not I am printing.
I'm former Military as well, all my training was OC, not CC so I'm more familiar with OC.
It is very simple in Virginia.
Open carrying is a right that is acknowledged by Article 1, Section 13 of the constitution. Concealed carry is a privilege doled out by the state and paid for by the citizen. Therefore, if you want to exert your right to keep and bear arms in Virginia, you must open carry.
I personally carry concealed most of the time because I live in the Commie part of Virginia.
Open carrying is a right that is acknowledged by Article 1, Section 13 of the constitution. Concealed carry is a privilege doled out by the state and paid for by the citizen. Therefore, if you want to exert your right to keep and bear arms in Virginia, you must open carry.
I personally carry concealed most of the time because I live in the Commie part of Virginia.
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Bookman
Campaign Veteran
1. It's a deterrent.
2. It's a conversation starter and I get to educate people as to their rights.
3. I want to and I can.
Those were all good reasons when I lived in WA. Now that I've moved to NC I have to reeducate myself before i can educate others. I also have to obtain a new handgun at some point. Right now I just do the best I can, learn where I may, and pass it on.
It's a whole new ball game!
2. It's a conversation starter and I get to educate people as to their rights.
3. I want to and I can.
Those were all good reasons when I lived in WA. Now that I've moved to NC I have to reeducate myself before i can educate others. I also have to obtain a new handgun at some point. Right now I just do the best I can, learn where I may, and pass it on.
It's a whole new ball game!
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
#3 is the one reason i give when asked. Any argument about it gets met with obnoxious comments.
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Hello to all!
I will choose to open carry whenever I can once my permit comes in because it is the most comfortable way to carry. There is no reason to conceal something that isn't offensive. It is our right to carry and a right not exercised is a right lost. We just got open carry in Oklahoma last year and I don't see many people doing it. Everyone I have talked to around here uses the same lame excuse, "Open carry would just make me a target to any criminals, I prefer the element of surprise."
I can't think of any instance where open carry has made somebody a target, and the element of surprise is an offensive tactic, not a defensive tactic.
Thank you for anyone that has read this, I look forward to being a contributing member of opencarry.org
Hello to all!
I will choose to open carry whenever I can once my permit comes in because it is the most comfortable way to carry. There is no reason to conceal something that isn't offensive. It is our right to carry and a right not exercised is a right lost. We just got open carry in Oklahoma last year and I don't see many people doing it. Everyone I have talked to around here uses the same lame excuse, "Open carry would just make me a target to any criminals, I prefer the element of surprise."
I can't think of any instance where open carry has made somebody a target, and the element of surprise is an offensive tactic, not a defensive tactic.
Thank you for anyone that has read this, I look forward to being a contributing member of opencarry.org
OC for ME
Regular Member
Welcome.
Carry a audio recorder. Your weapon is nothing more than a cellphone as far as most folks are concerned. It's a bubble thing.
Carry a audio recorder. Your weapon is nothing more than a cellphone as far as most folks are concerned. It's a bubble thing.