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Where'd you O.C. today and how'd it go?

Super6O

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The Texas comment is always interesting. I know our Texas friends are working to try to get to where we are in Kansas and other no-permit OC states.

I hope they succeed, and go one further than Kansas to get complete state preemption.




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58_KW_Fixer

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Over the past weekend I have oc almost everywhere I have gone (dillons, dicks, a couple different convenience stores, hy-vee, menards, and a few others) I say almost because the local mall here in manhattan has signs posted. I actually was complimneted by two people while I was getting a sandwich at subway in the wal-mart. But all in all a great weekend. No strange looks or comments or anyone asking me to leave.

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McLintock

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Got asked to leave the Hen House at 135 and Black Bob. They have no gun buster sign on the door, I asked the manager where's your sign he said they just cleaned the doors and haven't put them back up yet plus it's store policy. But I have never noticed a sign on the doors the many times I've been there before, let's see if they put one up. If course the other times I was carrying my SR40 and last night I was carrying my SR1911


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tcbrad98

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Yeah, hen house is pretty liberal in their corporate views of firearms. I've had similar issues at their stores.

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campfire

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Got asked to leave the Hen House at 135 and Black Bob. They have no gun buster sign on the door, I asked the manager where's your sign he said they just cleaned the doors and haven't put them back up yet plus it's store policy. But I have never noticed a sign on the doors the many times I've been there before, let's see if they put one up. If course the other times I was carrying my SR40 and last night I was carrying my SR1911


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I don't shop there often, but I don't recall seeing signs there. As you would know, very few places around here are posted.
 

Super6O

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Tonight I had two OC experiences I think are share worthy.

The first was at the Office Depot at Kellogg and Dugan in Wichita. I was shopping for some file organizing supplies and browsing the file cabinets. I didn't find a cabinet I liked, so I started browsing other things For my new home office. I was just kinda wandering amongst the shredders and what I believe was the manager on duty asked me if he could help me find anything. I politely declined and he went about doing whatever managers at Office Depot do. Not a peep or even a raised eyebrow . He treated me as if I had nothing but a phablet on my belt.

I settled on getting sentry safe fire resistant hanging folder boxes. As I was loading one into my cart, a fellow customer comes into the same aisle also browsing. She noticed my Openly carried glock 19 and seemed curious.

Her: "What kind of gun is that?"

Me: "A Glock."

Her: "Are you a police officer?"

Me: "No, you don't need to be."

Her: (She appeared to think for a moment) "I didn't know you could do that. Is that legal?"

Me: "Yes. Absolutely! It is legal in Kansas and Wichita."

Her: "I've never seen anything like that... Why do you have a gun?"

Me: "Oh, I carry it everywhere!" (Wish I had a better answer at the time...)

Her: "What do you do when there is one of those signs?"

Me: "Well, here's how those signs work; carrying past a sign is not a crime, but if the manager of the place asks you to leave, you have to or else you can face trespass charges."

Her: "Oh. I've just never seen that! Didn't know you could do that!" (Conversation looping back as the cogs are turning and she seems to now be just thinking aloud)

Me: "Yeah, it's legal in Kansas! Though if you want to conceal you must go through the class and get the concealed license. Have a good evening!"


She appeared neither nervous nor disapproving in her demeanor, simply curious about something she had not thought about before.

I only hope I left her with a better awareness of the legality of carrying, and a good impression of open carriers and gun owners. She seemed satisfied with the conversation.


The second encounter this evening was with an officer of Wichita PD. I was on my way home from OfficeDepot. I stopped to fuel up my truck at the QuikTrip at Kellogg and Maize. After filling the tank, I went into the store and back to the soda fountain. I stood there pouring my drink, when off to my four o'clock approaches the officer. I carry my safariland paddle at four o'clock so by now he has full view of it. I noticed him and looked his way, expecting him to make a comment.

His eyes went to my holster, then back to make eye contact with me, then he gave a small hint of a grin and went right about deciding what size cup to get for his drink. Not one word was said.

To me it was exactly as this forum strives to get all encounters to be!

I walked to the register, paid, and left.

Overall I am pleased with the evening, though I am running the conversation with the customer in the store back and trying to imagine better ways to respond.
 
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Rusty Young Man

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Got asked to leave the Hen House at 135 and Black Bob. They have no gun buster sign on the door, I asked the manager where's your sign he said they just cleaned the doors and haven't put them back up yet plus it's store policy...

There are a few unspoken, but generally understood, rules on OCDO regarding anti-gun establishments:

1) Never suggest gunbuster signs.
2) Never let them know their gunbuster signs do not adhere to the format specified by local anti-gun ordinances.
3) Never call ahead of time to ask about their gun policy, since that might encourage them to form an anti-gun policy.

We want to make management have to throw out every single armed LAC so at the very least they understand their criminal empowerment policy is causing them to lose business (if all goes well, they'll also realize they are making themselves prime targets). They will likely ignore or not even notice people simply coming up and driving away.

Other than that, sorry to hear you had that kind of experience.

SNIP...The second encounter this evening was with an officer of Wichita PD. I was on my way home from OfficeDepot. I stopped to fuel up my truck at the QuikTrip at Kellogg and Maize. After filling the tank, I went into the store and back to the soda fountain. I stood there pouring my drink, when off to my four o'clock approaches the officer. I carry my safariland paddle at four o'clock so by now he has full view of it. I noticed him and looked his way, expecting him to make a comment.

His eyes went to my holster, then back to make eye contact with me, then he gave a small hint of a grin and went right about deciding what size cup to get for his drink. Not one word was said.

To me it was exactly as this forum strives to get all encounters to be!

THAT is what an OCer "police encounter" should be. :banana:
And props on enlightening the lady at the office supply store. You've opened her eyes to a bit of the truth, now let's hope she decides to look around a little more.
 

McLintock

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There are a few unspoken, but generally understood, rules on OCDO regarding anti-gun establishments:

1) Never suggest gunbuster signs.
2) Never let them know their gunbuster signs do not adhere to the format specified by local anti-gun ordinances.
3) Never call ahead of time to ask about their gun policy, since that might encourage them to form an anti-gun policy.

We want to make management have to throw out every single armed LAC so at the very least they understand their criminal empowerment policy is causing them to lose business (if all goes well, they'll also realize they are making themselves prime targets). They will likely ignore or not even notice people simply coming up and driving away.

Other than that, sorry to hear you had that kind of experience.

Points well taken, but maybe y'all out there in the online world can help me?

1) if it's a unspoken rule, how do we know it's a rule?

2) how are we suppose to know if a business is anti-gun if they don't post a sign?

3)if we are to follow the law, then ain't we suppose to point how these business are not following the law by being anti-gun without having a sign up

Not trying to be difficult, just trying to get a clearer understanding of the unspoken rule


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Rusty Young Man

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Points well taken, but maybe y'all out there in the online world can help me?

1) if it's a unspoken rule, how do we know it's a rule?

2) how are we suppose to know if a business is anti-gun if they don't post a sign?

3)if we are to follow the law, then ain't we suppose to point how these business are not following the law by being anti-gun without having a sign up

Not trying to be difficult, just trying to get a clearer understanding of the unspoken rule


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1) One of our goals is to normalize OC, and we can't exactly do that if businesses start putting up signs that have the force of law because then we can't be in there without breaking the law.
By promoting the posting of signs (even if by unintentional suggestion), an area becomes closed off for casual discourse and normalization of OC by the next OCer who sees that sign (provided it has the force of law, or there is a codified exception in the law for entering with the intent of determining whether the sign reflects company policy).

2) We know the business is anti-gun when they ask us to leave BECAUSE of our sidearm, we contact the manager/higher-ups about it, and they ALSO uphold the decision to ask us to leave because we carry a sidearm.
It seems drawn-out, tiresome, and energy-consuming, but THAT is exactly why the approach of having them reply to EVERY single OCer is effective: they get a chance to see how many people they are no longer getting money from, and get to see how Law-Abiding and POLITE we are; the latter helps to dispel negative stereotypes they may have of OCers.

3) Correct, we should adhere to the law as much as possible, and we can only be responsible for ourselves. However, I'm not aware of any law that says an establishment is REQUIRED to post their opinion on the side of the building in order to abide by the law, even if it is an opinion about OC.
 
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McLintock

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1) One of our goals is to normalize OC, and we can't exactly do that if businesses start putting up signs that have the force of law because then we can't be in there without breaking the law.
By promoting the posting of signs (even if by unintentional suggestion), an area becomes closed off for casual discourse and normalization of OC by the next OCer who sees that sign (provided it has the force of law, or there is a codified exception in the law for entering with the intent of determining whether the sign reflects company policy).

2) We know the business is anti-gun when they ask us to leave BECAUSE of our sidearm, we contact the manager/higher-ups about it, and they ALSO uphold the decision to ask us to leave because we carry a sidearm.
It seems drawn-out, tiresome, and energy-consuming, but THAT is exactly why the approach of having them reply to EVERY single OCer is effective: they get a chance to see how many people they are no longer getting money from, and get to see how Law-Abiding and POLITE we are; the latter helps to dispel negative stereotypes they may have of OCers.

3) Correct, we should adhere to the law as much as possible, and we can only be responsible for ourselves. However, I'm not aware of any law that says an establishment is REQUIRED to post their opinion on the side of the building in order to abide by the law, even if it is an opinion about OC.

Yes, we to normalize OC, but if a business is anti gun I do not want to step a foot on there property. Also having a gunbuster sign up is costing them business.

Plus changing someone/business from anti gun/ anti OC is like changing a democrat to a conservative. But I do see your point, I guess I view it a little different
 

Rusty Young Man

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Yes, we to normalize OC, but if a business is anti gun I do not want to step a foot on there property. Also having a gunbuster sign up is costing them business.

Plus changing someone/business from anti gun/ anti OC is like changing a democrat to a conservative. But I do see your point, I guess I view it a little different

On the part I bolded:
I can respect that decision, though I have no problem doing so provided I don't patronize them (spend any money there). I'll give the doors a glance, but won't go out of my way to look for signs. Usually with the amount of time I spend perusing the aisles, AT LEAST two employees get a good glimpse of my 1911 (plus, I tend to wear lighter colors, which really contrasts with the place holster and grips). If they ask me to leave because of my sidearm, I'll simply add it to my list of places I don't patronize, as well as entering it into FriendOrFoe.us and gunburger.com so that other armed LACs can inform their decision on which businesses NOT to patronize. I'm pretty constant about which places I now frequent, so it's a RARE occurrence when I find myself in an anti-gun establishment.

On the part I underlined:
Correct, gunbuster signs are announcing that our armed presence isn't welcome (and my money goes where I go), as well as speaking volumes to the defenselessness of everyone in the establishment. Unfortunately, the owners probably won't notice an OCer (or armed LAC, for the matter) pulling up in his/her car, seeing the sign, and then driving to another business because of the sign. It would be akin to CCing to bring awareness to OC: if they can't SEE it, they can't NOTICE it, and they can't become accustomed to it (armed LACs).
 
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SNIP...Plus changing someone/business from anti gun/ anti OC is like changing a democrat to a conservative. But I do see your point, I guess I view it a little different

You'd be surprised.
This is coming from someone who used to defend COMMUNISM back in middle school (no big deal, I've heard?), was in favor of socialism up until the second year of high school, and used to advocate for greater government control over businesses. Now you'd be hard-pressed to find a post of mine that supports communism or socialism. I occasionally slip and post something with slight statist inclinations, but I can count on someone always pointing it out before the infection spreads.:lol:

Besides that, there is the example of my mother:
Hated all guns, knives, and "scary-looking" things since before I was born. Somehow, I was allowed to carry a 2.5"-blade pocket knife since the age of ~7-8. At around the age of 12 I carried it much sharper (learned how to sharpen from watching my dad), and progressed to larger knives (~10" total length, fixed-blade knife) which didn't elicit TOO MANY complaints from her. Openly carried a large (~14") fixed-blade knife almost everywhere before getting my 1911, and she only complained sporadically. I began to OC everywhere I went (not on campus though, since I have to be easy prey there), and she SUPPORTED it. Took her shooting about two years ago; she liked shooting and now wants one for herself. Today, she SUPPORTS and DEFENDS my Right to carry, including defending against her own family (they are like she was; mainly fear and ignorance).
I'm a very proud son.:monkey

My point is: sometimes apparent antis are actually just confused individuals who fear guns because of IGNORANCE, not an illogical fear. The former can be reached, the latter are more than likely beyond saving.
Our OC is one way to try to reach the former, one OCer at a time.
 
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Camper

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Today, I carried at the Home Depot at Woodlawn and K-96, O'Reilly on 13th and Oliver, and Taco Bueno just south of Wesley on Hillside. I may have gotten some looks but no questions, no MWAG calls (that I know of), and no running and screaming in the other direction.
 

Super6O

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I carried around Lawrence on Saturday. Big biscuit in the morning, then later Burger stand on Mass. St.

At BETO junction T/A gas station had a guy ask if i was a Game Warden. I smiled and told him no. (He was using the pump as a parking spot and not pumping gas, but i kept my thoughts about how much of a dick move that is to myself)


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tcbrad98

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Oc'd Olathe on Sunday, Walmart, Burger King, mill creek park, and had no issues as usual.
 

sauerofkraut

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Walked all around Hays kansas. went to wal-mart, Joe bob outfitters ( gun store), Library, and Vet. No problems but had 2 people voice encouragement
 

DonConrad

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Anyone encounter police when open carring?

Anyone encounter police when open carring? Here in Wichita.
 

Super6O

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Yes, once at quiktrip on maize and kellogg. The officer and i were both at the soda fountain. He just gave me a little nod and left me alone


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