You collect old permits Mark?:lol:
Things are different now but when I had a permit, there wasn't any renewal. You had to re apply every year and the Judge got to it when he felt like it....so I always had a considerable amount of overlap.
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When to protest Alexandria City's extra-legal CHP renewal requirements?
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You collect old permits Mark?:lol:
Things are different now but when I had a permit, there wasn't any renewal. You had to re apply every year and the Judge got to it when he felt like it....so I always had a considerable amount of overlap.
DrMark
Lone Star Veteran
The reality is I just suck at throwing stuff away. I have my old permits, VCDL membership cards going back to 2005 or so, old driver's licenses, business cards from my buddy's high-school rock band, ... all kinds of weird stuff.
My wife will verify that. :uhoh:
TFred
Regular Member
Perhaps, but you can't have your cake and eat it too... Many anti-gun officials complain that they "lose" money on the permits, that they cost more to process than the $50 that the state allows them to collect. This was probably actually true back when they allowed them to collect fingerprints, but of course that is no longer the case.
Back on point: Those that claim that they still "lose" money on the process should be delighted at the prospect of eliminating the permit altogether. That would end their negative cash flow problem with issuing CHPs!
TFred
DrMark
Lone Star Veteran
Agreed, and I've even tried to push a similar point re: Constitutional Carry... "In this era of tight resources, here's an opportunity to reduce the workload on Government offices..."
XD Owner
Regular Member
Uh oh, Arlington County has the same extra-legal requirement.
To apply for a permit, provide the Clerk of the Circuit Court’s office with:
Your original signed and notarized application
One copy of your signed/notarized application
Two copies of your proof certificate of competency, if needed
One self-addressed, stamped envelope so that the Clerk’s Office can mail your permit to you
http://courts.arlingtonva.us/circuit-court/concealed-weapon-permit/
VCDL interested in writing them?
To apply for a permit, provide the Clerk of the Circuit Court’s office with:
Your original signed and notarized application
One copy of your signed/notarized application
Two copies of your proof certificate of competency, if needed
One self-addressed, stamped envelope so that the Clerk’s Office can mail your permit to you
http://courts.arlingtonva.us/circuit-court/concealed-weapon-permit/
VCDL interested in writing them?
VCDL's practice has always been that "we" are VCDL, and that the full weight of the organization should be brought to bear only when the efforts of the individual fail to get matters of compliance with law resolved.
In other words, VCDL is counting on you to contact the Clerk, explain the conflicts with the Code of Virginia, and request that the extralegal requirements be removed.
stay safe.
JamesCanby
Activist Member
Check your PM
JamesCanby
Activist Member
JamesCanby
Activist Member
The issue may be resolving in our favor
After talking face-to-face with Philip at the recent VCDL meeting, Philip followed their normal protocol and contacted the Alexandria City Clerk's office by phone to let them know we were aware of their extra-legal CHP application/renewal requirements. The Clerk said that despite what the website indicated, they were actually following VA State law and not requiring a SASE, were accepting renewals by mail, were not requiring additional training certifications from military members, etc. The Clerk said he would contact the person responsible for their website and would have the content changed to reflect the correct requirements. Philip and I agreed to follow up with each other in 30 days to see if the changes have been made to the website and, if not, to decide how we would proceed.
For now, it seems that Alexandria City is following the law and no legal action is currently anticipated.
After talking face-to-face with Philip at the recent VCDL meeting, Philip followed their normal protocol and contacted the Alexandria City Clerk's office by phone to let them know we were aware of their extra-legal CHP application/renewal requirements. The Clerk said that despite what the website indicated, they were actually following VA State law and not requiring a SASE, were accepting renewals by mail, were not requiring additional training certifications from military members, etc. The Clerk said he would contact the person responsible for their website and would have the content changed to reflect the correct requirements. Philip and I agreed to follow up with each other in 30 days to see if the changes have been made to the website and, if not, to decide how we would proceed.
For now, it seems that Alexandria City is following the law and no legal action is currently anticipated.
davidmcbeth
Banned
I'm sure everyone appreciates this information.
Liberty-or-Death
Regular Member
Nice.
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wrearick
Regular Member
thank you for taking action
JamesCanby
Activist Member
Update
Based on the phone call from VCDL's PVC, Alexandria City has changed their "Requirements" document to remove the SASE, additional military training certification, and in person filing from their CHP application requirements. See the attachment.
Problems still remain. They are still calling it a Concealed Weapons Permit, and they are still requiring those renewing to provide a copy of their "previous carry permit."
PVC said that he will call the Clerk again to advise him of the continuing errors.
Based on the phone call from VCDL's PVC, Alexandria City has changed their "Requirements" document to remove the SASE, additional military training certification, and in person filing from their CHP application requirements. See the attachment.
Problems still remain. They are still calling it a Concealed Weapons Permit, and they are still requiring those renewing to provide a copy of their "previous carry permit."
PVC said that he will call the Clerk again to advise him of the continuing errors.
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TFred
Regular Member
Notary
From the new file posted above:
"4. NOTARY: All applications will need to be notarized before they are brought to the Alexandria Clerk of Circuit Court."
Now maybe the law is silent on the Clerk notarizing the application, but even if so, this blatantly reveals the complete lack of "customer service" mode in this office. I would run a challenging election campaign for that clerk's job based on this one fact alone.
TFred
From the new file posted above:
"4. NOTARY: All applications will need to be notarized before they are brought to the Alexandria Clerk of Circuit Court."
Now maybe the law is silent on the Clerk notarizing the application, but even if so, this blatantly reveals the complete lack of "customer service" mode in this office. I would run a challenging election campaign for that clerk's job based on this one fact alone.
TFred