What would you have done?

[DON`T TREAD ON ME]

I was "assaulted" by my parent, as a child in public approx 12 yrs. old. A Do gooder called the Authority's. (thinking it was the right thing to do I am sure) Who in turn called in the social workers. I do not recall but my guess is the Do gooder spent less than a half hour giving a statement, and then went on about his/her life without a worry. I never went home again. I went to someone else s home every day after school, I was moved at an average of once a month, often changing schools each time, making education next to impossible. I was continually beat (much more severely) By the older foster kids, than I ever was at home. Introduced to drugs and alcohol "often by the foster parents" I was basically groomed for a life in the prison system. The Do gooder did not help me, He/She did not save me from anything. Instead he/she set my life backwards. I harbor no resentment against the do gooder who sicked the "armed Agents" on my family, I just vow not to be so ignorant to think I can jump in and "own" someone else s life While I still am learning about my own. In the end, my thoughts are this: If you are actually Saving someones life, that is one thing, But to interfere for a moment by "Calling in the authority's" is just to easy to be the answer for such a complex problem.

 

[Felid`Maximus]

To the OP: From the sounds of it, it seems as if you did what you could and probably scared the guy off, and it also sounds like the woman was not too badly hurt.

I was "assaulted" by my parent, as a child in public approx 12 yrs. old. A Do gooder called the Authority's. (thinking it was the right thing to do I am sure) Who in turn called in the social workers. I do not recall but my guess is the Do gooder spent less than a half hour giving a statement, and then went on about his/her life without a worry. I never went home again. I went to someone else s home every day after school, I was moved at an average of once a month, often changing schools each time, making education next to impossible. I was continually beat (much more severely) By the older foster kids, than I ever was at home. Introduced to drugs and alcohol "often by the foster parents" I was basically groomed for a life in the prison system. The Do gooder did not help me, He/She did not save me from anything. Instead he/she set my life backwards. I harbor no resentment against the do gooder who sicked the "armed Agents" on my family, I just vow not to be so ignorant to think I can jump in and "own" someone else s life While I still am learning about my own. In the end, my thoughts are this: If you are actually Saving someones life, that is one thing, But to interfere for a moment by "Calling in the authority's" is just to easy to be the answer for such a complex problem.

Very thought provoking post.

Unfortunately, the government is basically like dealing with a machine that spits out preprogrammed responses rather than empowering a thinking person to make an appropriate reaction based upon the circumstances to achieve improved long term results.

 

[NAVYBLUE]

I tried to give as much detail as possible, I'm sorry guys. It all happened really quick. He pushed her forcefully down onto the ground from a wall she was sitting on and I saw him throw one swing at her face. I was not armed at the time because I was on my way to work and I can't carry in uniform or on base. I jumped out of my car and screamed at the top of my lungs "Hey, what the fk are you doing?!" I can't say if he heard me or not but I grabbed my phone and called LEO. While I was talking to them on the phone I reached in my backseat and grabbed a 1/2 inch ratchet that is about 20 inches long with a swivel head. It was the closest thing I had to a weapon, and a piss poor match for a man that much bigger than me, let alone if he had a knife or a gun. So I threw it back in the back seat after thinking about it. Once I looked up from my car the man was gone and the girl was walking to the front of the store crying. I gave a description to the dispatcher and informed her that the girl was walking to the corner to cross nellis blvd at the cross walk. I know that if I hadn't been busy on the phone I could have easily ran up and struck him while he was beating the girl. I can't help but feel a little guilty and wonder if I should have done things differently.


Even more to the point, I wonder if I would have reacted differently if I was carrying. And what that says about my mindset regarding carrying a firearm.

You did it correctly. My brother, former LEO, said he would rather go unarmed in to a Hells Angel bar than respond to a DVB (Domestic Violence Battery) dispute. It never goes well.

In Nevada, assault is raising your fist in a threatening manner (as an example) and battery is completing the action by physically striking them (as an example) and is either a misdemeanor or felony,

That ALL changes (IN NEVADA) if they are "life partners" or what ever the hell we are calling it now a days or related and then they it becomes a Domestic Violence situation.

Unless it is to protect someone's life, it is usually best to call the LEOs, explain what is going on and you think that someone MAY be in danger and you need their assistance and standby to be an excellent witness.

Me personally, I have a very LOW tolerance for woman beaters and would prefer to dismiss them from this world with "extreme prejudice".

Oh, and size doesn't matter. My father was 5'8" and a 12% body fat steelworker that feared NO man and routinely put my aunt's 6' husband in the horizontally position until she finally divorced him. My mother though could make him quiet though with that loving stare that could burn through diamonds when it was needed (LOL)


NAVYBLUE

 

[vegaspassat]

Also to be noted I have nearly zero training in hand to hand.

qft

 

[Citizen]

You did it correctly. My brother, former LEO, said he would rather go unarmed in to a Hells Angel bar than respond to a DVB (Domestic Violence Battery) dispute. It never goes well.

In Nevada, assault is raising your fist in a threatening manner (as an example) and battery is completing the action by physically striking them (as an example) and is either a misdemeanor or felony,

That ALL changes (IN NEVADA) if they are "life partners" or what ever the hell we are calling it now a days or related and then they it becomes a Domestic Violence situation.

Unless it is to protect someone's life, it is usually best to call the LEOs, explain what is going on and you think that someone MAY be in danger and you need their assistance and standby to be an excellent witness.

Me personally, I have a very LOW tolerance for woman beaters and would prefer to dismiss them from this world with "extreme prejudice".

Oh, and size doesn't matter. My father was 5'8" and a 12% body fat steelworker that feared NO man and routinely put my aunt's 6' husband in the horizontally position until she finally divorced him. My mother though could make him quiet though with that loving stare that could burn through diamonds when it was needed (LOL)


NAVYBLUE

Probably the same change everywhere. Now, a domestic violence (DV) conviction or plea is a bar to firearms rights, so the local cops pay attention to it. It seems reasonable on the surface. But, with government, little is reasonable. I've come across reports of husbands admitting to DV as part of divorce settlements just to get through the process, not realizing the full significance (not told by their attorneys is more like it). And, women making false DV accusations in child custody cases to bolster their case.

 

[LV XD9]

I was "assaulted" by my parent, as a child in public approx 12 yrs. old. A Do gooder called the Authority's. (thinking it was the right thing to do I am sure) Who in turn called in the social workers. I do not recall but my guess is the Do gooder spent less than a half hour giving a statement, and then went on about his/her life without a worry. I never went home again. I went to someone else s home every day after school, I was moved at an average of once a month, often changing schools each time, making education next to impossible. I was continually beat (much more severely) By the older foster kids, than I ever was at home. Introduced to drugs and alcohol "often by the foster parents" I was basically groomed for a life in the prison system. The Do gooder did not help me, He/She did not save me from anything. Instead he/she set my life backwards. I harbor no resentment against the do gooder who sicked the "armed Agents" on my family, I just vow not to be so ignorant to think I can jump in and "own" someone else s life While I still am learning about my own. In the end, my thoughts are this: If you are actually Saving someones life, that is one thing, But to interfere for a moment by "Calling in the authority's" is just to easy to be the answer for such a complex problem.

The flip side to that coin is that the person you refer to as the "Do Gooder" who "set your life backwards" may very well have saved your life. If the abuse you suffered at home had remained unreported, perhaps one day your parent would have gone too far and the man we know from all of your videos and posts would never have existed.

I mean, it's one thing to beat a stranger you have no ties to and quite another when the person is your own child. A person messed up enough to assault their young child with sufficient severity and/or frequency to warrant the parent permanently losing custody is a person capable of just about anything, let alone accidentally (or intentionally) killing said child.

Just my two cents based on the limited information available.

 

[xxiiiliv]

Is it possible that it was a pimp and his "ladies"? If so, it's a lose-lose for anyone who intervenes, I would think.

 

[vegaspassat]

I went to the same seven eleven today and fpund out that they were both arrested, along with a bunch of his friends. She had warrants.

 

[Citizen]

I went to the same seven eleven today and fpund out that they were both arrested, along with a bunch of his friends. She had warrants.

Yeh-eesh.

 

[MilitaryMike]

Word of advice from a fellow military member.

Part of your defense plan should be not putting yourself in dumb situations. Yes I would intervene if need be, but you would never catch me at that gas station for good reasons (Yes, bad stuff happens everywhere but that area is BAD). I also agree with the whole her turning on you thing.. Happens all the time. Another thought is it might be helpful to turn on a recorder on your phone to at least get audio of the incident. Her crying, you telling him to stop hitting her etc in case things go south.

Keep good situational awareness at all times, try not to put yourself in bad situations, and always be ready to defend yourself or others even if you don't have a gun. That's my advice.

 

[FallonJeeper]

Word of advice from a fellow military member.

I also agree with the whole her turning on you thing.. Happens all the time.

This is exactly why LEO's show up, with backup, to all domestic calls.

You can get involved from a distance in a defensible position. Call 911 first, then tell them, from a distance still, that the police are on their way. Usually that's enough to break them from their altercation. But be ready to defend yourself, or get away.

 

[usmcmustang]

This is exactly why LEO's show up, with backup, to all domestic calls.

You can get involved from a distance in a defensible position. Call 911 first, then tell them, from a distance still, that the police are on their way. Usually that's enough to break them from their altercation. But be ready to defend yourself, or get away.

Here's another idea... You can get involved from a distance in a defensible position. DO NOT Call 911, but tell them, from a distance still, that the police are on their way. Usually that's enough to break them from their altercation. But be ready to defend yourself, or get away.

 

[SFCRetired]

The flip side to that coin is that the person you refer to as the "Do Gooder" who "set your life backwards" may very well have saved your life. If the abuse you suffered at home had remained unreported, perhaps one day your parent would have gone too far and the man we know from all of your videos and posts would never have existed.

I mean, it's one thing to beat a stranger you have no ties to and quite another when the person is your own child. A person messed up enough to assault their young child with sufficient severity and/or frequency to warrant the parent permanently losing custody is a person capable of just about anything, let alone accidentally (or intentionally) killing said child.

Just my two cents based on the limited information available.

Unfortunately, a parental swat on the seat of the pants of an unruly child will be seen as "assault" by far too many people. If the parent is hitting the child repeatedly, such as a well-publicized case; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2bAGVDDmrA, then, yes, the authorities should be involved.

 

[FallonJeeper]

Here's another idea... You can get involved from a distance in a defensible position. DO NOT Call 911, but tell them, from a distance still, that the police are on their way. Usually that's enough to break them from their altercation. But be ready to defend yourself, or get away.

Yeah, I thought about that too. They can always show up after everybody has gone. Or... if they get there in time they can handle the situation and lock him/her or both up as necessary.

The OP stated that he was not armed. There is always the possibility that the suspect may call your bluff and turn toward you and turn this into a Martin/Zimmerman situation. I don't even want to get into that case.

I can handle that kind of confrontation, but 'm not going to recommend it for anybody else, whose skills and limitations I don't know. For those people, I would say, do what you can, if you want to get involved, stay safe, and if you feel it will help, call the Po-Po, or not. ;o)

 

[LV XD9]

Unfortunately, a parental swat on the seat of the pants of an unruly child will be seen as "assault" by far too many people.

Right, but we're talking about a specific case where a parent (or parents) permanently lost custody. That doesn't happen from "a parental swat on the seat of the pants of an unruly child." Of course, this is all academic/speculation unless he's willing to reveal more details about what happened.

If the parent is hitting the child repeatedly, such as a well-publicized case; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2bAGVDDmrA, then, yes, the authorities should be involved.

If a parent punches their child in the face once, let alone repeatedly, that person should lose their parental rights and be put in prison.

Quite frankly, I'm of the opinion that any act of violence that would be considered a crime against a perfect stranger should also be considered a crime against your child, if not moreso. Louis CK does a great bit on this - I've posted it before, but the video was taken off of YouTube. The basic quote was:

"Stop hitting me - you're huge! How could you hit me? That's crazy. You're a giant and I can't defend myself."

I really think it's crazy that we hit our kids. Here's the crazy part about it; kids are the only people in the world that you're allowed to hit. Do you realize that? They're the most vulnerable and the most destroyed by being hit but it's totally OK to hit them. And they're the only ones! if you hit a dog they will put you in jail for that s**t. You can't hit a person unless you can prove that they were trying to kill you. But a little tiny person with a head this big who trusts you implicitly: 'F**K 'EM, WHO GIVES A S**T! LET'S ALL HIT THEM!' People want you to hit your kid. If your kid is making noise: 'HIT HIM!!!! HIT 'EM!!!!'

 

[SFCRetired]

Strange, but without even putting forth much effort, I found several cases in which parents lost their parental rights as a result of merely spanking a child.

Google and Findlaw are your friends.

 

[MAC702]

Hitting and spanking are two very different things and to treat them the same is as criminal as hitting, in my opinion.

 

[LV XD9]

Hitting and spanking are two very different things and to treat them the same is as criminal as hitting, in my opinion.

How do you differentiate between hitting and spanking? Where, in your mind, does spanking cease to be spanking and begin to be hitting?

Why is it okay to do something to a person much smaller and weaker than you (who depends on you for everything) that's not okay to do to a person equal in strength to you without facing criminal charges?

 

[LV XD9]

Strange, but without even putting forth much effort, I found several cases in which parents lost their parental rights as a result of merely spanking a child.

Google and Findlaw are your friends.

If there are cases where parents permanently lost custody over "a parental swat on the seat of the pants of an unruly child," by all means, link them. Note the emphasis on the qualifiers I used in my previous post...

 

[MAC702]

How do you differentiate between hitting and spanking? Where, in your mind, does spanking cease to be spanking and begin to be hitting?

Why is it okay to do something to a person much smaller and weaker than you (who depends on you for everything) that's not okay to do to a person equal in strength to you without facing criminal charges?

I won't draw a line. But there is clearly a difference between slapping an ass and punching a face.

A child is dependent on a parent for everything, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, and that includes discipline. Physical discipline is not appropriate for every reminder, but it is not inappropriate at times. You are responsible for your child; it is not a free adult that has privacy or freedom from non-assault touching from you.