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DocWalker

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"The Tampa City Council wants Scott to issue an executive order, preventing people with concealed weapons permits from carrying guns."

"We believe it is necessary and prudent to take this reasonable step to prevent a potential tragedy," council member Lisa Montelione said in a draft letter to Scott.


This is my favorite part of the story.

When will they realize it isn't the law abiding CCW permit holders they need to consider, IT IS THE PEOPLE THAT CARRY CONCEALED WITHOUT A PERMIT also know as criminals.
 

Bowesmobile

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"The Tampa City Council wants Scott to issue an executive order, preventing people with concealed weapons permits from carrying guns."

"We believe it is necessary and prudent to take this reasonable step to prevent a potential tragedy," council member Lisa Montelione said in a draft letter to Scott.


This is my favorite part of the story.

When will they realize it isn't the law abiding CCW permit holders they need to consider, IT IS THE PEOPLE THAT CARRY CONCEALED WITHOUT A PERMIT also know as criminals.

We need a "like" button. That last line says it all.
 

Dreamer

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This story is patently irresponsible and is nothing but fear-mongering propaganda.

In NC it is ALREADY illegal to carry a firearm if you are participating in a parade, demonstration, or picket. The Police, Secret Service or Governor of NC don't need to make some sort of special rule to prevent protesters from carrying at the convention in Charlotte--it is ALREADY prohibited by NCGC Article 35 § 14‑277.2(a):

§ 14‑277.2. Weapons at parades, etc., prohibited.

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person participating in, affiliated with, or present as a spectator at any parade, funeral procession, picket line, or demonstration upon any private health care facility or upon any public place owned or under the control of the State or any of its political subdivisions to willfully or intentionally possess or have immediate access to any dangerous weapon. Violation of this subsection shall be a Class 1 misdemeanor. It shall be presumed that any rifle or gun carried on a rack in a pickup truck at a holiday parade or in a funeral procession does not violate the terms of this act.

It's the people who carry concealed and DO NOT have permits (otherwise known as CRIMINALS) who we need to worry about and guard against--and one of the BEST and most effective ways to do that is NOT to restrict law-abiding permit holders by denying them their FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT to self-defense.

Shame on WCNC and SHAME on "AP" for not doing due diligence on this issue and the law in NC, and for spreading fear and anti-Second Amendment propaganda by demonizing law-abiding Concealed Carry permit holders--who have passed State and Federal background checks to get their permits, and proven themselves to be safe, law-abiding, and upstanding members of society...
 

chiefjason

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In NC it is ALREADY illegal to carry a firearm if you are participating in a parade, demonstration, or picket.


Then why did they not arrest everyone at Guilford Courthouse NP? NC laws apply in National parks. The reason is, it's not actually illegal to carry during any and all demonstrations.

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§ 14‑277.2. Weapons at parades, etc., prohibited.

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person participating in, affiliated with, or present as

1-a spectator at any parade,
2- funeral procession,
3- picket line, or
4- demonstration upon any private health care facility or upon any public place owned or under the control of the State or any of its political subdivisions to willfully or intentionally possess or have immediate access to any dangerous weapon.

Violation of this subsection shall be a Class 1 misdemeanor. It shall be presumed that any rifle or gun carried on a rack in a pickup truck at a holiday parade or in a funeral procession does not violate the terms of this act.

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Protest on private property or non state, city, or county owned property and you should be OK. Might be tough to find a place that fits those criteria. But undoubtedly national parks fit it, and I would imagine so does private property. And now for the obligatory IANAL, YMMV, it's your rear on the line so make your own decision.

Also, cities cannot make ANY laws regarding CC that go above state law.


14‑415.23. Statewide uniformity.
It is the intent of the General Assembly to prescribe a uniform system for the regulation of legally carrying a concealed handgun. To insure uniformity, no political subdivisions, boards, or agencies of the State nor any county, city, municipality, municipal corporation, town, township, village, nor any department or agency thereof, may enact ordinances, rules, or regulations concerning legally carrying a concealed handgun. .........

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-415.23.html
 

NC-Heel

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So GRNC came to the same conclusion that I did. It is already unlawful to participate in a protest while carrying concealed. Charlotte has already passed laws making it illegal to carry backpacks and other items when they feel it convenient but they can not restrict concealed carry. They want to be able to declare the uptown area a free fire zone whenever they feel like it. That would require an amendment to state laws.

http://www.grnc.org/grnc-alerts-arc...lot-afoot-to-ban-guns-in-charlotte-during-dnc
 

papa bear

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doesn't bother me if they ban CC, i am totally OC :lol::lol:

just kidding, i know they will probably give the OCer a harder time
 

NC-Heel

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doesn't bother me if they ban CC, i am totally OC :lol::lol:

just kidding, i know they will probably give the OCer a harder time
Remember it is easy for them to ban OC. Nothing stopping local government from doing that. See Durham and Chapel hill for reference.
 

NC-Heel

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I meant to say Cary and Chapel Hill. As for you guys carrying in Chapel Hill be sure that your gun is large enough. I know all my pistols are easily concealable.


Sec. 11-134. - Prohibition on display of small handguns.

(a)

No person shall display, on any street, sidewalk, alley or other public property any handgun which is easily and ordinarily carried concealed.

(b)

For purposes of this article, the term "handgun which is easily and ordinarily carried concealed" shall mean any handgun or other firearm with an overall length of less than six (6) inches; provided, however, that in the case of a handgun or firearm that does not have a handgrip, this term shall mean any such handgun or firearm with an overall length of less than eight (8) inches.

(c)

For purposes of this article, the length of a handgun shall be determined as follows:

(1)

As the length of a line drawn from the tip of the barrel of the handgun along the length of the barrel to the point where that line intersects with a perpendicular line drawn up from the point on the back of the handgrip farthest from the tip of the barrel; or,

(2)

If the length of the handgun measured along the barrel extends back beyond the point where the lines described in (c)(1) above intersect, the length shall be determined by the length of the gun measured straight back from the tip of the barrel for the full length of the gun; or

(3)

If the handgun does not have a handgrip, the length shall be determined by measuring the overall length of the weapon by a straight line connecting the tip of the barrel to the point farthest away from the tip of the barrel.

(d)

This section shall not apply to persons authorized by state or federal law to carry firearms in the performance of their duties.
 
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Virginian683

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I'm a little confused on something. Since when in this country can a uhh, Caesar...err, Führer...opps I mean Governor, issue an imperial edict, err.. "executive order," and thereby render null and void a law which has been properly passed by the people's duly elected representatives?

Where is this country going, indeed.

And this is a great example how the Republican Party establishment are not the friends of liberty and constitutional government in this country. Both parties (and the media) are now controlled by the same interests.
 

Dreamer

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So, are we arguing that this was not a demonstration? Looks pretty demonstration/rally like. Lots of guns. Handguns were loaded. No arrests. Police on scene. Just happened to not be on city/county/state controlled property.

http://www.bluenc.com/scenes-pacifists-nightmare

This WAS a "demonstration". But it was on National Parkland--which is FEDERAL property. The NCGS § 14‑277.2 prohibition ONLY applies to property owned by the State or it's subdivisions, or certain private health-care facilities.

Nobody was arrested because:
1) nobody was breaking any laws, and
2) local, county and State police have no jurisdictional authority on Federal land...

Sort of ironic isn't it that the Federal Government trusts us to carry on FEDERAL land, but our own State doesn't trust us to do the same on state-owned or local-government-owned property...

I love NC, but it's got some seriously screwed-up gun laws.

NC gun laws are like the bastard child of an unholy union between Virginia and Maryland...
 

Smith45acp

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Aren't the Cary and Chapel Hill restrictions null and void since HB650 went into effect?

That's my understanding anyway.
 
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