voice recorder

[sudden valley gunner]

All j4l has to do is OC and see what happens....when FL get OC that is. Then again, if OC is too provocative, entrapment, then why does he support the OC effort in FL? Based on his join date and the number of posts, it may very well be true that he is a troll, who so happens may be less than the legal age to possess a concealable weapon. Either way, he is not much different than most other folks who are against something, while they are for something. If FL gets OC he will be toting a recorder and other such devices as does any prudently armed LAC.

j4l = troll.

I think he's a cop, not that that is a bad thing but coupled with his mindset I doubt he'd carry a recorder. He also will probably immediately bring up that he is an officer too and that would change how the whole "contact" would go down and it would probably be very different than if it the encounter was with someone who wasn't an LEO.

 

[Deanimator]

In those 3+ yrs, have PD in your area given you any kind of hassle at all? Have you been tackled to the street, have they ever hurt your feelings? Etc?
Honestly, if over 3 yrs you havent even had to consider jumping onto this trend, why now?
Dont let the over-told tales of the handful of boneheads who've managed to draw LE attention to themselves worry you too much. It doesnt happen as often-anywhere- as these clowns make it seem. It just gets a lot more hype in here because of the forum's theme.

If this were a cooking forum-folks would be debating which pots and pans to use,right?

Similarly, if he hasn't been the victim of a violent attack in those 3+ years, he shouldn't carry a FIREARM either, RIGHT???

When somebody gives advice clearly not in the best interest of the recipient, there's almost ALWAYS a reason why. It almost ALWAYS is intended to harm the recipient, or to help somebody else to the recipient's detriment.

It's crystal clear that your intent is to try to protect police from the consequences of their own actions by ensuring that there's as little documentary evidence against them as possible.

 

[HandyHamlet]

When somebody gives advice clearly not in the best interest of the recipient, there's almost ALWAYS a reason why. It almost ALWAYS is intended to harm the recipient, or to help somebody else to the recipient's detriment.

Absolutely.

He gives bizarre anti-1st Amendment statements EVERY time recording or filming comes up.

I mean, how can anyone DENY there are hundreds and hundreds of recordings and video made by law abiding citizens of Cops posted to Youtube? Or that a recording of police behaving badly in no way effects the outcome of contempt of cop charges? There are stories every day in the news that show differently... And we all watch them. Except for him I guess...

This is so ridiculous I'm not sure I even want to know what the real agenda of this guy is. It has been demonstrated in this very forum time and again how crucial it is to protect yourself with a recorder/video while exercising your Constitutional Rights. I just hope some new guy doesn't take ANYTHING he says seriously.

 

[Deanimator]

Absolutely.

He gives bizarre anti-1st Amendment statements EVERY time recording or filming comes up.

I mean, how can anyone DENY there are hundreds and hundreds of recordings and video made by law abiding citizens of Cops posted to Youtube? Or that a recording of police behaving badly in no way effects the outcome of contempt of cop charges? There are stories every day in the news that show differently... And we all watch them. Except for him I guess...

This is so ridiculous I'm not sure I even want to know what the real agenda of this guy is. It has been demonstrated in this very forum time and again how crucial it is to protect yourself with a recorder/video while exercising your Constitutional Rights. I just hope some new guy doesn't take ANYTHING he says seriously.

Isn't it interesting that those who don't want cops recorded are usually the same ones who say, "Don't argue with the police. CONSENT to whatever they want and sue later!" (Knowing that the consent negates the tort.) Of course they don't want there to be any PROOF that the cop did something wrong, or that you DIDN'T consent, hence the hysterical condemnations of recording the police.

And naturally, when somebody DOES manage to successfully sue the police, the SAME characters call it "opportunistic" or the "ghetto lottery".

These are the same people who served as cheerleaders and enablers for cops like Anthony Abbate, the 300lb. morbidly obese, drunken coward who stomped a 100lb. barmaid into the floor when she wouldn't serve him any more liquor. They hate that he was both videotaped savagely beating a woman, AND his friends audiotaped tampering with and intimidating a witness.

 

[Fallschirjmäger]

I haven't had a motor vehicle accident in over three years, should I drop my automobile insurance?

I haven't had a serious injury or illness in over three years, should I drop my medical insurance?

I haven't had a major house repair in over three years, should I drop my homeowner's insurance?

I haven't had a vehicle fire in over three years, should I stop carrying a portable fire extinguisher in my car?

I haven't had a virus attack on my computer in over three years, should I stop purchasing anti-virus programs?

I haven't had a hard drive failure in over three years, should I stop running back ups on my computer?

I haven't had a ka-BOOM in my Glock in over three years, should I stop wearing safety glasses?




Bad advice is bad.

 

[Deanimator]

Bad advice is bad.

Maliciously offered bad advice is WORSE.

Said "advice" was clearly offered with the intent of benefiting someone harming the recipient, to the recipient's FURTHER harm.

 

[HandyHamlet]

Incessantly preaching malicious advice in multiple threads must be the top prize then.

The mark of a TRUE hero.

 

[j4l]

..........--Moderator Position--
The edits of posts containing insults and/or name calling begins.
I repeat myself when I suggest you talk about the problem, not the people with whom you disagree.

 

[marshaul]

...i do it less than touchy-feely for your sensitive little egos and simple minds, dont know what else to tell ya beyond man up and get over it.

QFT.

Just in case anybody is inclined to take this guy seriously...

 

[j4l]

..........--Moderator Position--
The edits of posts containing insults and/or name calling begins.
I repeat myself when I suggest you talk about the problem, not the people with whom you disagree.

 

[Deanimator]

When somebody offers "advice" manifestly harmful to the recipient should it be heeded, one naturally asks "why?" Two possibilities:

1. The one offering the advice is simply foolish, like the dim-witted '80s porn star Cicciolina, who declared AIDS a "hoax", and poo-pooed condoms.
2. The one offering the advice means real harm and is hoping to talk someone into doing something that will hurt them, and usually benefit the one making the offer or another. An example would be the head of a burglary ring advising people that they live in a "safe" neighborhood and don't need to lock their doors, or an identity thief who tells computer users that they don't need protection from viruses or malware.

Typically, those who advise citizens not to carry and use voice recorders where it's lawful to do so are either police officers seeking to ensure that they cannot be held to account for crimes and civil torts, or are friends, relatives or fans of dirty cops. The robbery ring operating recently inside of the Philadelphia PD routinely disabled security cameras at the immigrant owned convenience stores they victimized.

The consistency and repetition of recent posts here attempting to intimidate open carriers from carrying voice recorders clearly points to malice rather than stupidity. There is an unmistakable intent to do harm.

 

[j4l]

UGH. Where did I say where lawful to do so? I SAID WHERE NOT LAWFUL TO DO SO.

READ ppl READ.

 

[j4l]

..........--Moderator Position--
The edits of posts containing insults and/or name calling begins.
I repeat myself when I suggest you talk about the problem, not the people with whom you disagree.

2-WAY street, sport. Apply it both directions, you wont have an issue.
To be shouted down,anytime a different opinion or sollution is offered is no different.
Got an issue- then pm me. Otherwise....

 

[JayT]

So disappointing... I was VERY interested in this thread, because I also live in NC and want to get a "good" recorder before OCing... I feel bad for the OP, because this turned into 3 pages of crap. Wethepeople, please PM which recorder you get and your thoughts on it. I'll most likely get the same/similar one.

Thanks!

 

[HandyHamlet]

I have a Kodak Playsport waterproof HD camera.

This thing went through the washer and dryer on accident and still works.

 

[wrightme]

I recently purchased an Olympus VN-8000PC. Probably much more than is necessary, but simple to use, and connects to a computer via USB.


As for the other, some people simply are not happy unless they are attempting to declare their view to be the only correct one.

 

[wrightme]

In those 3+ yrs, have PD in your area given you any kind of hassle at all? Have you been tackled to the street, have they ever hurt your feelings? Etc?
Honestly, if over 3 yrs you havent even had to consider jumping onto this trend, why now?
Dont let the over-told tales of the handful of boneheads who've managed to draw LE attention to themselves worry you too much. It doesnt happen as often-anywhere- as these clowns make it seem. It just gets a lot more hype in here because of the forum's theme.

If this were a cooking forum-folks would be debating which pots and pans to use,right?

I own a fire extinguisher. Yet I have NEVER had a house fire.

I have life insurance, yet I have NEVER had to use it.

I own firearms, yet I have NEVER had the immediate need to defend myself with one.

Etc.

Whether a person owns and uses a recorder is THEIR choice to make, the same as choosing to OC or CC, or to carry a revolver or semi-auto. The simple choice to carry a recorder does not place someone automagically into the group of "gonna entrap me a coppper to sue" people. But, if it helps you to feel better to falsely label others that way, who are the rest of us to say "no, you cannot?"

 

[wrightme]

From where do you make the assumption-once again since the intial contact is almost always missing from the vids/audio of these stunts-that the person was "minding their own" or acting normally?

That assumption that there is no "grandstanding attention-getting" actions is entirely as valid as your seeming assumption that there IS such activity. Why do you choose to assume that those who carry (recorders) are seeking attention?

Heck, replace "recorders" with firearms, and ask yourself that question again.....

 

[MR Redenck]

Voice Recorder safety

While on the subject of voice recorders, I have been thinking I would rather have something that would call my phone at home or some place. Something that would record to another location just in case someone tried to erase the recording or make your recorder vanish.
Got any ideas? I could use my cell phone but the answering machine doesnt record very long.

 

[marshaul]

While on the subject of voice recorders, I have been thinking I would rather have something that would call my phone at home or some place. Something that would record to another location just in case someone tried to erase the recording or make your recorder vanish.
Got any ideas? I could use my cell phone but the answering machine doesnt record very long.

I recently downloaded Qik on my iphone.

It has a live streaming record feature, and my phone asks for a PIN if it is locked. So, the video goes straight to the web (until I lock my phone), and there's no way to delete it without guessing my phone's PIN or my Qik account's password.

I figure, that for a primary recording, and then a digital voice recorder like my Sony in the pocket for backup if/when I'm forced to lock the phone.