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Virginia's Blue Ridge Community College Allows Students with CHP's to Carry on Campus!

Tess

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thnycav wrote:
I hate to be a wet blanket about this but there are things we do need to consider.
Correct. Among them are:
- These students are adults, who have ALREADY accepted the challengest incumbent with being a concealed permit holder.
Even though you may have a canceled carry permit do you have the expertise to be able to determine the target.
One, I would hope you aren't carrying with a canceled permit. Permits get cancelled because individuals surrender them voluntarily or because they're taken away for cause. Neither is true here.

Everyone who carries a gun also carries the responsibility to determine the threat - I don't choose to call it a "target", simply because of the connotation of the word. We have accepted that it takes a great deal of judgment and maturity to accept that responsibility.

With more guns it does give the police that does respond another problem sorting out who is the good guys and who is the bad guys.
Perhaps, but not necessarily. By the time the police get there, the bad guy is probably down and the others will have secured their weapons because the threat is no longer present.

Now if you where at VT and the firing started you go in the hallway and other like minded people do the same can you choose who is the bad guy and who is the good guy.
Excuse me? Who at VT was given the option of going into the hallway? Perhaps I missed the part where Cho asked who wanted to be shot.

The bad guy is the one with the gun, shooting innocent people. If you can't see that; if you can't determine the threat, you have no business shooting.

I feel that one would need lots of tactical training.
Tactical training would be a great help. But look at the issue this way.....if you have a choice between someone who's undergone even the minimum training required to get a CHL and no training at all, which do you want by your side? If you have someone near you who's gotten the permit, taken even some training, taken the time to select a weapon for carry, wouldn't you be grasping at those straws? I know I would.

Better yet, I'll be the one who carries, who practicss, and who accepts the responsibility for me and, if necessary, others around me.
 

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thnycav wrote:
I hate to be a wet blanket about this but there are things we do need to consider. Even though you may have a canceled carry permit do you have the expertise to be able to determine the target. With more guns it does give the police that does respond another problem sorting out who is the good guys and who is the bad guys.
Did you *seriously* think about what you wrote before you pressed "send"? Did you re-read your own thoughts?

How do you sort out the "bad guys"? C'mon! He's the maniac indiscriminately shooting people! This is NOT rocket science. "Canceled" carry permit holders do not see themselves as Capt. America out to save the world from criminals. We want to defend *ourselves* from "bad guys" if that horrible day ever befalls us. As for the cops needing to sort out the good guys from the bad guys, they will have all the time they need to do so, because they are going to show up a few minutes *after* the shooter has been taken down by the CC "good guy". I only carry 13 rounds in my gun, and I'll be empty long before any police arrive and need to determine my "good guy" status.

Now if you where at VT and the firing started you go in the hallway and other like minded people do the same can you choose who is the bad guy and who is the good guy. I feel that one would need lots of tactical training.
Again, what can I say other than did you think this through before typing? Why would anyone fire before identifying the target, and determining it's hostile intentions? Why would I walk out into the hallway and start randomly shooting my gun at people? You don't need tactical training, you need common sense. Unfortunately, you seem to be letting your irrational fear of firearms and emotions get in the way of your logic.

In this world there are sheep, and sheepdogs. You appear to be one of the sheep.
 

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Not hardly one of the sheep. I have spent 23 years in the army in the Infantry and Air Cavalry, and do value the need for proper tactical training. I consider a firearm a tool.I went though sniper training at Ft Campbell KY with the 101st ABN I was also a member of the combat pistol team that represented the 101st ABN at the All army combat pistol match in 1986. We placed 7th. We did win the 18th ABN corp that year. I do value the right to bear arms but I also know of the responsibility that comes with them as well.

To find out how to sort out the proper targets go though the shoot no shoot training many Police agencies go through.
 

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>>In this world there are sheep, and sheepdogs.<<

I beg to differ, mr nakedshoplifter, there are THREE types of people in this world & you missed one.
 

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thnycav wrote:
Not hardly one of the sheep. I have spent 23 years in the army in the Infantry and Air Cavalry, and do value the need for proper tactical training. I consider a firearm a tool.I went though sniper training at Ft Campbell KY with the 101st ABN I was also a member of the combat pistol team that represented the 101st ABN at the All army combat pistol match in 1986. We placed 7th. We did win the 18th ABN corp that year. I do value the right to bear arms but I also know of the responsibility that comes with them as well.

To find out how to sort out the proper targets go though the shoot no shoot training many Police agencies go through.
Are you speaking about something indeterminate, kinda indeterminate, or something like the Cho fella, which is VERY determinate ?

i..e ANY of us would be able to see such a 'Cho' threat for what it was. AND react accordingly.

In the CCW classes I work with, all of the legal and tactical stuff required to avoid problems identifying ANY threats and then AVOIDING making a mistake ARE taught.
AND no it does not take a week or more. IS there not something similar for licensing in Virginia ?

I kinda look at it this way:

There are 4 million CCW license holders in the US currently. There are a MUCH smaller number of LEOs. If LEO style training was so gosh darn good, how come the number of "accidental" and "wrongful" shootings is so much GREATER for the group with so much EXTRA training ?
 

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FightingGlock19 wrote:
>>In this world there are sheep, and sheepdogs.<<

I beg to differ, mr nakedshoplifter, there are THREE types of people in this world & you missed one.
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Mr David: I go to school here in MO and I have been trying to talk to our school about allowing us to have some Concealed Carry on Campus. They are very hesitant. I wonder if the reason that they allowed you was because of your law enforcement experience?? Do tell how that you managed it? Thank you for your time sir.

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The only problem sir, for those of us who want to be discrete in our carry it's hard to get people like yourself to train us with a modicum of your wisdom to know when to pull out our guns, but there is not that many who want to train. I personally agree that there doesn't need to be years of training but it sure would be nice!
 

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Massad Ayoob wrote The Gun Digest Book of Combat Handgunnery, 6th edition. Amazon has it for $20, delivered.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0896895254

Also check out surefire.com -- a good, bright (200 lumens) flashlight can save you a lot of trouble by blinding a potential attacker as you run for cover and dial for help. The lights are very bright and the batteries have a very long shelf life. Maglite makes the Mini Maglite 2-cell AA that is very bright (15 lumens, but lights up a potential attacker so you can see their face) and runs a long time, plus the AA batteries work in a GPS, so if you carry (or keep in your dorm) a couple spare AA cells you're always set. The generic brands that imitate Maglite aren't as bright (even though the packaging says they are) and the batteries don't last nearly as long. (Get a bulb light--LEDs have various problems with light output, including color.)
http://www.maglite.com/lampspecs_aa.asp

Light thread: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum62/5489.html
 
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