• We are now running on a new, and hopefully much-improved, server. In addition we are also on new forum software. Any move entails a lot of technical details and I suspect we will encounter a few issues as the new server goes live. Please be patient with us. It will be worth it! :) Please help by posting all issues here.
  • The forum will be down for about an hour this weekend for maintenance. I apologize for the inconvenience.
  • If you are having trouble seeing the forum then you may need to clear your browser's DNS cache. Click here for instructions on how to do that
  • Please review the Forum Rules frequently as we are constantly trying to improve the forum for our members and visitors.

Vehicle defense firearm?

tekshogun

Founder's Club Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2009
Messages
1,052
Location
Greensboro, North Carolina, USA
imported post

Ruger9mm wrote:
For a 9mm carbine you could try http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/
They have one for about $300.00. They are heavy but would work for a car gun.
[/quote][/quote]

Great idea! Seniordep2010, you should definitely consider Hi-Point's carbines. I forgot abou them. They're as ugly as warthogs but they are well designed firearms and use common handgun ammunition.

Packer fan wrote:
Look in to a Taurus Judge. It shoots both .410 and .45. I am saving up for one for my car defense. They are flying off the shelves here in Ar.

Although one could be found in his price range (in the extreme upper range), it is still a handgun.

Seniordep2010 wrote:
Thanks alot tekshogun! You gave me some really good ideas and information. I guess you're right about the concealment part though.

I could unload it and lock it in the trunk though right? Maybe in one of those small safes fixed to the inside of the vehicle? As long as it's not concealed from the time I get out to put it in my trunk I guess it would be ok. I could still be discrete with such a small gun.

Yes, you can unload it and lock it in the trunk, the trunk = not concealed. Yeah, you want to avoid any possibility of you getting squeezed on concealing it. I would like to say though, placing the shotgun in a carrying case, bag or something of the sort made to carry the shotgun and then placing it in the trunk may not be considered concealment as you are merely transporting the weapon from one place (in the open) to another (the trunk) in a safe and "inaccessible" fashion such as if you were carrying the gun from a hunting or sport shooting location, it was in the open, you bagged it, and then carried it to the vehicle for storage (in the trunk).

The laws are vague on that, I would talk to your local PD. I wouldn't exactly tell them what you're doing, just to clear up any (is carrying my shotgun in a carrying case in the cab of my car considered concealment or carrying to be placed in the trunk concealment (before it gets to the trunk)?
 

Seniordep2010

Regular Member
Joined
Dec 8, 2009
Messages
63
Location
, North Carolina, USA
imported post

I've thought about a carbine, but the problem is the ammo. For one it's kind of hard to find handgun ammo these days, you just gotta get lucky. And I can't buy the ammo myself, which isn't so much a problem just an inconvenience I guess.

That being said, I think I'm going to get a shotgun. I'm planning on going out tomorrow to look for one. :celebrate
 

tekshogun

Founder's Club Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2009
Messages
1,052
Location
Greensboro, North Carolina, USA
imported post

Seniordep2010 wrote:
I've thought about a carbine, but the problem is the ammo. For one it's kind of hard to find handgun ammo these days, you just gotta get lucky. And I can't buy the ammo myself, which isn't so much a problem just an inconvenience I guess.

That being said, I think I'm going to get a shotgun. I'm planning on going out tomorrow to look for one. :celebrate

NAW! I buy .40 S&W in droves from Wal-Mart. Typically at $30 per box of 100. Of course that is for target/range ammunition, 165 grain FMJ. Sure, it isn't quite for self defense, but I don't think soft tissue will really argue with it.

If we were talking about rifle ammo, then sure, it is either hard to find or really expensive.

Of course, shotgun ammunition is so cheap and plentiful that even Wal-mart stocks it on open shelves in the sporting good section. Ready for you to scoop a cart full.
 

Seniordep2010

Regular Member
Joined
Dec 8, 2009
Messages
63
Location
, North Carolina, USA
imported post

You've got another point tekshogun. About the only handgun caliber that my local Wal-Mart has in stock consistantly is .40. So if I got a carbine it would be best to get a .40.
 

Packer fan

Regular Member
Joined
Nov 19, 2009
Messages
399
Location
Mountain Home, Arkansas, United States
imported post

Teck

you are right about the Judge being pricey but if he is looking for a good car gun and wanting a shotgun you can't go wrong with it.

It has the best of both world as a handgun.

Yeah the .410 is up close and personal but that is what a carjacking or other such parking lot crimes are.

It is a good option.
 

tekshogun

Founder's Club Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2009
Messages
1,052
Location
Greensboro, North Carolina, USA
imported post

Packer fan wrote:
Teck

you are right about the Judge being pricey but if he is looking for a good car gun and wanting a shotgun you can't go wrong with it.

It has the best of both world as a handgun.

Yeah the .410 is up close and personal but that is what a carjacking or other such parking lot crimes are.

It is a good option.
I certainly agree that a Judge is a great weapon in the general case, I just think it is a bit impracticle for him. I think, in NC there is a bit of a loophole that allows him to receive the gun as a gift if he acquires a purchase permit from the sheriff but he also have to be careful about making sure it is not a straw sale and once acquired the gun must be unconcealed at all times (except on his own property). I am not completely sure about being gifted a handgun under 21 in NC.
 

Hawkflyer

Founder's Club Member
Joined
Feb 21, 2007
Messages
3,309
Location
Prince William County, Virginia, USA
imported post

How many people in this discussion have EVER fired a gun inside a car?

Many of the suggestions in this thread are fine if all you care about is taking out the primary threat and to hell with collateral damage. But you should think about the unnecessary hearing loss you will inflict on your self by discharging an overly powerful firearm in such a confined space. Moreover shot has a tendency to bounce all over the place inside a car. Read that as a threat to your eyesight and hearing as well as other possible self inflicted injury.

What you need is something that will be effective, but at the minimalist level for use in a confined space like an auto interior. A .38 revolver, a .380 auto or something along those lines would work just fine for this specific purpose.

Regards
 

ecocks

Regular Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2009
Messages
1,040
Location
USA
imported post

t33j wrote:
ecocks wrote:
Just one more opinion....

If it was me, I would call the Sheriff or PD (whichever is more appropriate for your area) and simply ask them regarding the law for carrying in the car. If thedepartment is big enough that you get low-level administrative flunkies holding you up, then ask if there is a designated community resource or community affairs officer to deal with questions from the public.

Problem with that is, if your cops are anything like the cops around here, they are basically ignorant of gun laws (if not laws in general)

Well, that may be the way things are in your area. If so, sorry to hear it.However, part of the rationalization of OC is to bring about education and "normalization" of how firearms are viewed in our society. As the recent event with the guy in Tennessee illustrates, the police/LEO's often need learning exercises to help their enforcement of the law.

So, my advice stands as what I'd do in your situation rather than take a chance on a bad outcome.
 

ecocks

Regular Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2009
Messages
1,040
Location
USA
imported post

Actually, my choice for a vehicle defense firearm is two-fold. The first is my regular carry weapon (CZ-40). The second, planned for the future is a Kel-Tec SU-16 for the truck and back of the van. The second doesn't really come under defending the car so much as having a tactical option close to hand whie traveling in the car.
 

Packer fan

Regular Member
Joined
Nov 19, 2009
Messages
399
Location
Mountain Home, Arkansas, United States
imported post

Hawkflyer wrote:
How many people in this discussion have EVER fired a gun inside a car?

Many of the suggestions in this thread are fine if all you care about is taking out the primary threat and to hell with collateral damage. But you should think about the unnecessary hearing loss you will inflict on your self by discharging an overly powerful firearm in such a confined space. Moreover shot has a tendency to bounce all over the place inside a car. Read that as a threat to your eyesight and hearing as well as other possible self inflicted injury.

What you need is something that will be effective, but at the minimalist level for use in a confined space like an auto interior. A .38 revolver, a .380 auto or something along those lines would work just fine for this specific purpose.

Regards



Yes, I have fired a firearm in a confined space and know what it feels like to have your head and ears instantly fill from the mussel blast of a gun; but if I have to shoot from inside my car my hearing is that least of my worries. Yes, culpability does come into factor but again how many 25' + shots is one going to take from a car and if the BG is in thethe car maybe think about using a knife. No loud booms, no shots bouncing, and not overly powerful.

What weapon a person chooses to carry is really up to the individual. Every make, model, andcaliber has it's good points and bad. It maybe affordability or conveniences but we all have our individualchoices.It's good that this young person is getting a lot of different opinions before buying.
:celebrate
IMHO
 

stainless1911

Banned
Joined
Dec 19, 2009
Messages
8,855
Location
Davisburg, Michigan, United States
imported post

It might be hard to aim a 12ga. from inside a car. you need to think about the probability of hearing loss from detonating a 12 ga. shell from inside a vehicle. I carry a .40 and really dont want to let that thing off in the car either, but a 12? damn.

:shock:
 

KY Soldier

Regular Member
Joined
Feb 4, 2009
Messages
60
Location
Cold Springs, Kentucky, USA
imported post

Again I'm not sure about the difference between KY and NC laws BUT in KY you are legally allowed to keep the pistol in the glove box and IT IS NOT considered concealed however a center console would be considered concealed. Check out the NC forums for advice on that. If its legal in NC to carry in the glovebox then order a Ruger LCP .380 auto. It is well made, in your price range, won't over penetrateand ammo can be ordered online.

Congrats on joining the Navy. Too bad you didn't meet an Army recruiter first :lol:
 

tekshogun

Founder's Club Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2009
Messages
1,052
Location
Greensboro, North Carolina, USA
imported post

stainless1911 wrote:
It might be hard to aim a 12ga. from inside a car. you need to think about the probability of hearing loss from detonating a 12 ga. shell from inside a vehicle. I carry a  .40 and really dont want to let that thing off in the car either, but a 12? damn.

:shock:

I have a compensated Glock 22 and it's loud even with "excellent" hearing protection on.

Honestly though, I'd rather suffer hearing damage than death. Of course, if I'm deaf, I'd hope there is a procedure to reverse it, because I don't know if I would want to live if I couldn't hear music again.

But initially, I ain't going down with out damn fight.

edit (corrected could to couldn't, damn internet dyslexia)
 

stainless1911

Banned
Joined
Dec 19, 2009
Messages
8,855
Location
Davisburg, Michigan, United States
imported post

Of course you are 100% correct. Just wanted to bring that into play. Don't hesitate.

Heres a thought... Instead of the criminal suing us gun owners, we should be suing them for, among other things, hearing loss. One very skillfully publicised high dollar lawsut of this type could open many doors, and many more eyes.

The most important thing we can do in every aspect is to turn the tables. Politically, socially, legally, and any other way I forgot to mension.
 

tekshogun

Founder's Club Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2009
Messages
1,052
Location
Greensboro, North Carolina, USA
imported post

stainless1911 wrote:
Of course you are 100% correct. Just wanted to bring that into play. Don't hesitate.

Heres a thought... Instead of the criminal suing us gun owners, we should be suing them for, among other things, hearing loss. One very skillfully publicised high dollar lawsut of this type could open many doors, and many more eyes.

The most important thing we can do in every aspect is to turn the tables. Politically, socially, legally, and any other way I forgot to mension.

Some may find that funny but I see a ray of truth in that. I know, at least here in North Carolina, anything negative that happens DURING the commission of a crime is the responsible of the party(ies) responsible for the crime and for any medical expenses and such, this may give you a grounds for an appropriate lawsuit (even if you have to kill someone and there is another involved, the survivor can be charged with some type of homicide). Not that defending ourselves is a cause for suing someone, but we should be due just compensation for any damage done to our person, property, and lost wages.
 
Top