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vehicle carry

kylemoul

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i know there are posts here on this, but i just looked through 15 pages of topics and the *%#@ search tool searches the ENTIRE states...

anyway i was looking for any state laws concerning open/conceal carry in your vehicle; a side note i am not looking for justification of defense :cool:

anyone able to help me out?
 

kellogg2185

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In MO, if you're 21+, you can carry a pistol in any condition (loaded/unloaded/locked up/in your lap), with or without a CCW. MO Castle Doctrine applies to your house and vehicle(s).
 

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i know there are posts here on this, but i just looked through 15 pages of topics and the *%#@ search tool searches the ENTIRE states...

anyway i was looking for any state laws concerning open/conceal carry in your vehicle; a side note i am not looking for justification of defense :cool:

anyone able to help me out?

My understanding, some one will correct me if I'm wrong. Anyone with or without a CCW maay carry a concealed hand gun in their vehicle. The key wrod there is "concealed". If you have a CCW or you are some place where a CCW is "not" required you can have the hand gun in sight (ie, many STL area municiplalities that prohibit open carry) The good olde boy days of a firearm on a gun rack of a pick up truck are a no no around these here parts. Out in RFD, or for that matter just westof STL Co., in Franklin or St. Charles Co., no one really cares! Which is the way it should be.
 

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I have my CCW, but I never keep mine holstered when in the car for easy access if needbe. I simply keep a small sheet over it on the seat next to me so it is easy to get too, but still concealed!
 

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Actually, since we're getting hyper specific ;-), you aren't quite right. The law requires that the weapon be in question be lawfully possessed and concealable, not concealed. Of course, the section of law it exempts you from is the code that make it illegal to conceal a weapon. So I guess the end effect is the same;-)

My understanding, some one will correct me if I'm wrong. Anyone with or without a CCW maay carry a concealed hand gun in their vehicle. The key wrod there is "concealed". If you have a CCW or you are some place where a CCW is "not" required you can have the hand gun in sight (ie, many STL area municiplalities that prohibit open carry) The good olde boy days of a firearm on a gun rack of a pick up truck are a no no around these here parts. Out in RFD, or for that matter just westof STL Co., in Franklin or St. Charles Co., no one really cares! Which is the way it should be.
 

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You can carry a concealed weapon in the car in Missouri because there is a special exemption for it. No convoluted explanations are needed.

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Nascar24Glock

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In MO, if you're 21+, you can carry a pistol in any condition (loaded/unloaded/locked up/in your lap), with or without a CCW. MO Castle Doctrine applies to your house and vehicle(s).

Not that this would apply to me (I'm older than 21 and don't plan to visit MO anytime soon), but can a person age 18-20 OPENLY carry in a vehicle?
 

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There is a part of the law that allows 18 year old to carry in a vehicle while traveling. I believe it has something to do with safe passage.
 

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Unlawful use of weapons--exceptions--penalties.

571.030

1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:

(1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or....

3. Subdivisions....Subdivision (1) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply to any person twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, so long as such concealable firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed, ....or is traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through this state....

4. Subdivisions (1), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to any person who has a valid concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a valid permit or endorsement to carry concealed firearms issued by another state or political subdivision of another state.

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5710000030.HTM
Read the statute.
 

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OC is not illegal in MO....BUT!!!....it is illegal in sumo political subdivisions.

Firearms legislation preemption by general assembly, exceptions--limitation on civil recovery against firearms or ammunitions manufacturers, when, exception.

21.750.

3. Nothing contained in this section shall prohibit any ordinance of any political subdivision which conforms exactly with any of the provisions of sections 571.010 to 571.070, with appropriate penalty provisions, or which regulates the open carrying of firearms readily capable of lethal use....

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c000-099/0210000750.htm
Read the statutes.
 

kylemoul

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concealed
Subdivision (1) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply to any person twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, so long as such concealable firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed,

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nor when the actor is also in possession of an exposed firearm or projectile weapon for the lawful pursuit of game, or is in his or her dwelling unit or upon premises over which the actor has possession, authority or control, or is traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through this state.


seems i didnt read 571.030 enough. concealed is ok aslong as you lawfully posess it.

now openly, i dont think MO defines your vehicle as a dwelling per castle doctrine

(2) "Dwelling"[ means], any building[ or], inhabitable structure,[ though movable or temporary, or a portion thereof, which is for the time being the actor's home or place of lodging.] or conveyance of any kind, whether the building, inhabitable structure, or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night;

but you do have the right to not retreat your vehicle per castle doctrine;
A person does not have a duty to retreat from a dwelling, residence, or vehicle where the person is not unlawfully entering or unlawfully remaining.

or is it the "traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through this state" that allows open carry in the vehicle?


any input/corrections?
 

REALteach4u

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Kyle,

Could you elaborate on your "retreat your vehicle" please? It's a bit confusing as to what you're after and most would rather give you the info as opposed to taking a guess.

Your posting of the duty to retreat (or lack there of in certain situations) from State law is spot on.

If you need it before your trip, here is the link to the Missouri statutes "search" engine.

RSMO Search http://www.moga.mo.gov/homestatsearch.asp

Rule of thumb for the RSMO search is to always return to the main page before starting another search. It seems that you will increase the search within the current criteria if you alter the search once results are up. So get back to the main page before starting a new search or altering your search criteria.

Missouri has needed to remove any and all expectations to retreat for some time now. The statute already requires that the situation be not of your own making and that it be an emergency situation requiring immediate action. That alone illustrates that distance and time will be relative to a possibility of even considering a retreat.
 
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kylemoul

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The portion of the castle doctrine which states you do not have the duty to retreat from your vehicle, dwelling, or residence.

however i may be looking into things a bit deep, so no problem.

basically open carry in your vehicle you still must abide by city/municipality laws and thier open carry ordinances.
 
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