MamaLiberty
Regular Member
Indeed! I'm watching this carefully. Got my coat all ready to go out.
Unfortunately, I'm totally snowed in and will be for a while. I can practice at home anyway. 
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Urgent Legislative Alert 1-15-11 — Constitutional Carry
- Thread starter MamaLiberty
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Indeed! I'm watching this carefully. Got my coat all ready to go out.
Unfortunately, I'm totally snowed in and will be for a while. I can practice at home anyway. 
BB62
Accomplished Advocate
Even though the Governor has yet to act, congratulations to all of you in Wyoming! (of course, it's my understanding that the bill passed by veto-proof margins, so...)
This may be the continuation of a wave of "If you can own a gun, you can carry concealed" bills. Who's next?
Nice work AB, Mama, and all of the rest of you!
This may be the continuation of a wave of "If you can own a gun, you can carry concealed" bills. Who's next?
Nice work AB, Mama, and all of the rest of you!
MamaLiberty
Regular Member
Constitutional Carry Passes House 49-9! I was a little late getting the news.
We are very glad to see it get cleaned of the nonsense amendments.
What we are really hoping to be able to impress the legislature and the various "leo" outfits with is the total and utter lack of noticeable change that will follow passage of this bill. As in every other place where people are free to make their own decisions and take responsibility for them... ordinary, honest people don't need "permits" or limitations imposed on them. And criminals don't bother with any of them to start with.
That's the whole point. Nobody will actually SEE any particular difference once this is passed.
Well, except for that one weird old lady in Newcastle who has been wandering around town with her right hip freezing off each winter because she can't zip her coat and cover the revolver. LOL
Now I can!!!!
We are very glad to see it get cleaned of the nonsense amendments.
What we are really hoping to be able to impress the legislature and the various "leo" outfits with is the total and utter lack of noticeable change that will follow passage of this bill. As in every other place where people are free to make their own decisions and take responsibility for them... ordinary, honest people don't need "permits" or limitations imposed on them. And criminals don't bother with any of them to start with.
That's the whole point. Nobody will actually SEE any particular difference once this is passed.
Well, except for that one weird old lady in Newcastle who has been wandering around town with her right hip freezing off each winter because she can't zip her coat and cover the revolver. LOL
Now I can!!!!
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Wyocowboy
Regular Member
Constitutional Carry
YES!!!!! Praise God! I hope that doesn't "offend" anyone ( I really don't care) We have one more taste of freedom in WYOMING. I love my home state! Yes I am excited! We shut down the elitist police unions. We defeated them. I remember over 20 years ago trying to get concealed carry changed and running into the police unions. We were stabbed in the back. We were trated as subjects instead of citizens. This victory is sweet. All you good folks who have not lived here for very long, I hope you realize what a victory this is. Many thanks to AB for the fight. Now Matt Mead, show us you are "conservative" and sign the bill. NEVER GIVE UP!!! I will NEVER give up my guns or my Liberty.
YES!!!!! Praise God! I hope that doesn't "offend" anyone ( I really don't care) We have one more taste of freedom in WYOMING. I love my home state! Yes I am excited! We shut down the elitist police unions. We defeated them. I remember over 20 years ago trying to get concealed carry changed and running into the police unions. We were stabbed in the back. We were trated as subjects instead of citizens. This victory is sweet. All you good folks who have not lived here for very long, I hope you realize what a victory this is. Many thanks to AB for the fight. Now Matt Mead, show us you are "conservative" and sign the bill. NEVER GIVE UP!!! I will NEVER give up my guns or my Liberty.
This is the essential amended portion of the statute:
Amendment
The person does not possess a permit issued
under this section, but otherwise meets the requirements
specified in paragraphs (b)(i) through (vi), (viii) and
(ix) of this section and possession of the firearm by the
person is not otherwise unlawful.
This is what "paragraphs (b)(i) through (vi), (viii) and
(ix) of this section" refers to:
(Note that paragraph (vii) was omitted. That paragraph referred to the necessity to "Demonstrate familiarity with a firearm." and requires "A legible photocopy of a certificate of completion" to be carried. This portion is still required in order to get a permit. The permit is good when traveling in other states with reciprocity with Wyoming
(i) Is a resident of the United States and has been a resident of Wyoming for not less than six (6) months prior to filing the application. The Wyoming residency requirements of this paragraph do not apply to any person who holds a valid permit authorizing him to carry a concealed firearm authorized and issued by a governmental agency or entity in another state that recognizes Wyoming permits and is a valid statewide permit;
(ii) Is at least twenty-one (21) years of age;
(iii) Does not suffer from a physical infirmity which prevents the safe handling of a firearm;
(iv) Is not ineligible to possess a firearm pursuant to 18 U.S.C. section 922(g) or W.S. 6-8-102;
(v) Has not been:
(A) Committed to a state or federal facility for the abuse of a controlled substance, within the one (1) year period prior to the date on which application for a permit under this section is submitted;
(B) Convicted of a felony violation of the Wyoming Controlled Substances Act of 1971, W.S. 3571001 through 35-7-1057 or similar laws of any other state or the United States relating to controlled substances and has not been pardoned; or
(C) Convicted of a misdemeanor violation of the Wyoming Controlled Substances Act of 1971, W.S. 3571001 through 3571057 or similar laws of any other state or the United States relating to controlled substances within the one (1) year period prior to the date on which application for a permit under this section is submitted.
(vi) Does not chronically or habitually use alcoholic liquor and malt beverages to the extent that his normal faculties are impaired. It shall be presumed that an applicant chronically and habitually uses alcoholic beverages to the extent that his normal faculties are impaired if the applicant has been involuntarily committed, within the one (1) year period prior to the date on which application for a permit under this section is submitted, to any residential facility pursuant to the laws of this state or similar laws of any other state as a result of the use of alcohol;
(viii) Is not currently adjudicated to be legally incompetent; and
(ix) Has not been committed to a mental institution.
Amendment
The person does not possess a permit issued
under this section, but otherwise meets the requirements
specified in paragraphs (b)(i) through (vi), (viii) and
(ix) of this section and possession of the firearm by the
person is not otherwise unlawful.
This is what "paragraphs (b)(i) through (vi), (viii) and
(ix) of this section" refers to:
(Note that paragraph (vii) was omitted. That paragraph referred to the necessity to "Demonstrate familiarity with a firearm." and requires "A legible photocopy of a certificate of completion" to be carried. This portion is still required in order to get a permit. The permit is good when traveling in other states with reciprocity with Wyoming
(i) Is a resident of the United States and has been a resident of Wyoming for not less than six (6) months prior to filing the application. The Wyoming residency requirements of this paragraph do not apply to any person who holds a valid permit authorizing him to carry a concealed firearm authorized and issued by a governmental agency or entity in another state that recognizes Wyoming permits and is a valid statewide permit;
(ii) Is at least twenty-one (21) years of age;
(iii) Does not suffer from a physical infirmity which prevents the safe handling of a firearm;
(iv) Is not ineligible to possess a firearm pursuant to 18 U.S.C. section 922(g) or W.S. 6-8-102;
(v) Has not been:
(A) Committed to a state or federal facility for the abuse of a controlled substance, within the one (1) year period prior to the date on which application for a permit under this section is submitted;
(B) Convicted of a felony violation of the Wyoming Controlled Substances Act of 1971, W.S. 3571001 through 35-7-1057 or similar laws of any other state or the United States relating to controlled substances and has not been pardoned; or
(C) Convicted of a misdemeanor violation of the Wyoming Controlled Substances Act of 1971, W.S. 3571001 through 3571057 or similar laws of any other state or the United States relating to controlled substances within the one (1) year period prior to the date on which application for a permit under this section is submitted.
(vi) Does not chronically or habitually use alcoholic liquor and malt beverages to the extent that his normal faculties are impaired. It shall be presumed that an applicant chronically and habitually uses alcoholic beverages to the extent that his normal faculties are impaired if the applicant has been involuntarily committed, within the one (1) year period prior to the date on which application for a permit under this section is submitted, to any residential facility pursuant to the laws of this state or similar laws of any other state as a result of the use of alcohol;
(viii) Is not currently adjudicated to be legally incompetent; and
(ix) Has not been committed to a mental institution.
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MamaLiberty
Regular Member
I'm glad as I can be. Seems lame to have it not effective immediately, but them's bureaucrats for you. The good thing is that nobody much cared before, and nobody will much care between now and July 31 either.
rhenriksen
Regular Member
Doesn't this have to get signed by the governor next? Any concerns on that front?
MamaLiberty
Regular Member
Yes, there are a few bureaucratic hoops to jump through yet, and that's one. But we have a veto proof vote total here. He can't do a darn thing about it but sign it or let it become law without a sig. He'd be really stupid to attempt a veto.
rhenriksen
Regular Member
That's wonderful news! Wasn't trying to be a wet blanket. I'm really excited for you guys, as well as for the political momentum this will hopefully add to other states working on their own 2A bills.
Here in Texas, things grind along pretty slowly. We are looking good to achieve campus carry for CHL holders this session (college/university campuses), and hopefully a parking lot bill as well (preventing employers from barring employees from keeping their guns in their cars while @ work). Open carry (or dare I think it, constitutional carry?) *might* become the goals for the 2013 legislative session. Our legislature only meets for 4 months, every other year...
MamaLiberty
Regular Member
Ours meets for something like 40 or 60 days every year, with every other year being dedicated to the biannual budget. The intervening years are for general things like this.
At least they are not career politicians, and can't get into TOO much mischief in that short a time.
So if I read this right, you need to be a resident of Wyoming for 6 months before you can carry concealed without a permit. Visitors to the state are not covered under this law unless they have a valid permit from another state.
How do you show that you have lived in the state more than 6 months?
Why must you live in Wyoming 6 months before this applies and you can carry concealed without a permit.
Why do you need to pass a test and have some kind of certificate to get a WY concealed permit, but not if you do not want the permit. Double standards setting up for two classes of people.
As a land owner in WY, spending time in Wyoming (but not 6 months a year) and not a full time resident while paying taxes in another state, can I carry concealed without a permit, or do I need a WY carry permit.
This new law is confusing.
How do you show that you have lived in the state more than 6 months?
Why must you live in Wyoming 6 months before this applies and you can carry concealed without a permit.
Why do you need to pass a test and have some kind of certificate to get a WY concealed permit, but not if you do not want the permit. Double standards setting up for two classes of people.
As a land owner in WY, spending time in Wyoming (but not 6 months a year) and not a full time resident while paying taxes in another state, can I carry concealed without a permit, or do I need a WY carry permit.
This new law is confusing.
ccwinstructor
Centurion
There may be court challenges to the residency requirement
Others who are more erudite than I are welcome to correct me. I beleive that there have been several supreme court rulings in other areas that prevent states from treating non-residents differently than residents in regards to criminal law.
Others who are more erudite than I are welcome to correct me. I beleive that there have been several supreme court rulings in other areas that prevent states from treating non-residents differently than residents in regards to criminal law.
77zach
Regular Member
Congratulations Wyoming! Your victory stores up momentum for unlicensed carry in other, more populated and less free states. With any luck, Montana and New Hampshire, at a minimum, will follow you this spring.
Sonora Rebel
Regular Member
Congratulations Wyoming. Finally! : )
MamaLiberty
Regular Member
No, never would and never will.
And don't worry about all the "residence" requirements, etc. If you are not a jerk and not causing problems, nobody is ever going to know or care. It's not like anyone stops us on the street and demands to see proof of residence.
Now, in the exceedingly rare situation where you needed to actually use a gun, you might have to deal with that - but this is not Chicago or New York, remember. It's not going to be that big a deal.
FYI
As of 2/28/11 The governor has not vetoed a single bill during this legislative session. 78 bills have become law.
It is not reasonable to think the governor will veto SF 47. The legislature is 84% Republican, as is the governor.
If he does not sign or veto by Thursday, it will become law without his signature.
As of 2/28/11 The governor has not vetoed a single bill during this legislative session. 78 bills have become law.
It is not reasonable to think the governor will veto SF 47. The legislature is 84% Republican, as is the governor.
If he does not sign or veto by Thursday, it will become law without his signature.