UK Guardian Covers the Open Carry Movement Sweeping the USA

[tashkerra]

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I agree

 

[Cowboy_Rick]

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The Brits are a bit strange-you can almost see the bubbles coming from their ears (what a brain wash). I am American first and foremost. I believe in the "Right to Carry" if he don't like it then he doesn't have to stop by!

 

[gsx1138]

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My response:



I've never understood the irrational fear of inanimate objects but I do understand projection. Those who "fear" that they'll be shot because someone owns a gun are merely expressing their fear of what they would do. Owning a firearm is a right in the U.S. as is the Freedom of Speech. To suggest that either right should only be allowed in the privacy of ones home is disgusting.

You don't have to like guns. You don't have to own one or even try to understand why some would choose to own one. However, your ignorance should not be used as a measuring stick for others to follow. Choosing to remain ignorant of firearms, their responsible use, and those who maintain them in a responsible manner is nothing to be proud of. Bigotry takes many forms but it is generally the bigot who is the last to notice.

Please do yourself a favor and become educated on the subject. This includes reading/studying material that may not agree with your preconceived notions about gun ownership. As a former gun control advocate I found factual education to be enlightening.

 

[KansasMustang]

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I hope this gentleman from the UK will come back here to read the posts, I couldn't figure out how to reply to his article. I'm much more proficient on the firing range than on the computer, but then again that comes honestly since I spent 25 years in the Army defending our Constitution, rather than sitting at a desk in front of a computer.
Speaking of which I probably carried a firearm, be it a rifle or M1911 during my 25 years active duty for probably 15 years total time out of that 25. Before that I'd hunted rabbits and squirrels since I was about 10 years old.
This fella says he gets nervous at the mere site of a weapon, I'm sorry. Do you think it's just going to go off? Is it a ugly, poopy, nasty ole gun? I have nothing but pity for those that cannot or will not have the intestinal fortitude to take up arms in defense of themselves or those that they love and cherish. My service to my country was because I felt obligated to defend that whish I cared about, my country and this Nation of Freedom. I still feel compelled to defend our freedoms, which are being whittled away at an alarming rate. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, John Adams and the rest of out Founding Fathers would be embarrassed for us.
Let us ALL redouble our efforts to ensure that we NEVER allow the disarmament of our people.. I personally pledge my life, my honor, and my (small pittance) fortune to the cause of freedom and liberty. We must all stand together or surely we will hang seperately.
Keep your powder dry!

 

[Mike]

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KansasMustang wrote:

I hope this gentleman from the UK will come back here to read the posts, I couldn't figure out how to reply to his article.

huh? The reporter lives in Austin, TX.

 

[Shotgun]

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gsx1138 wrote:

My response:



I've never understood the irrational fear of inanimate objects but I do understand projection. Those who "fear" that they'll be shot because someone owns a gun are merely expressing their fear of what they would do. Owning a firearm is a right in the U.S. as is the Freedom of Speech. To suggest that either right should only be allowed in the privacy of ones home is disgusting.

You don't have to like guns. You don't have to own one or even try to understand why some would choose to own one. However, your ignorance should not be used as a measuring stick for others to follow. Choosing to remain ignorant of firearms, their responsible use, and those who maintain them in a responsible manner is nothing to be proud of. Bigotry takes many forms but it is generally the bigot who is the last to notice.

Please do yourself a favor and become educated on the subject. This includes reading/studying material that may not agree with your preconceived notions about gun ownership. As a former gun control advocate I found factual education to be enlightening.

I understand their fear. In Thus Spoke Zarathustra Nietzsche wrote, "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." They have no claws and they know it. They've been sissified. They're disarmed, unarmed and have no right to re-arm. They've been taught to not take any personal responsibility for their protection, but rather to rely upon someone else. Consequently they're afraid of every little noise in the dark. They've been told that only the police, military, and bad guys have guns. Therefore, a gun in the hands of someone who is not police or military is a bad thing.

As Nietzsche might have explained it, they have taken their weakness and tried to present it as a virtue.

 

[FMCDH]

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Shotgun wrote:

As Nietzsche might have explained it, they have taken their weakness and tried to present it as a virtue.

+1

Those things we know to be a weakness in ourselves we either change our behavior to fix or we change our rationalization to allow. Anything else eventually causes a type of madness.
~Unknown

 

[MarkNH]

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I was born in England and spent almost the first 30 years of my life there.

The reason the author and many others in England (or from England) are so scared of guns is that they have no exposure to them - guns are banned there (with a few exceptions) and never seen in public so the only time the average Brit could be exposed to a gun is if a criminal has one, hence the fear.

The concealed gun isn't as much of a psychological problem for him as he can be blissfully unaware of the gun's existence just as he is blissfully unaware of the guns carried by criminals people encounter daily in bad parts of London.

Then we get to the really irrational fear that if he offends a friend then that friend will pick up her gun and shoot him - this probably derives from the thug culture that is getting progressively worse in England, drunks randomly assaulting people after the pubs close, teenagers with knives stabbing people for the slightest provocation, and why are those crimes on the rise? because the law abiding people have no means to defend themselves and the thugs and bullies know that.

When I go back to the UK and go out for a drink with friends or family it is a very uncomfortable situation, the last time I went back is a typical example - at a pub in one of the most affluent towns in England we saw women being groped as they tried to get past groups of drunks, guys exposing themselves and urinating in the street, lots of people (of both sexes) vomiting from overdrinking, and a fight - the police were around (in groups of no less than 3 together) for all those events and only intervened to break up the fight.

Law abiding people in England are victims, I thank God I live in the US where I can carry a firearm (open or concealed) and can lawfully defend myself.

 

[Sonora Rebel]

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I regularly go to Tombstone (AZ) and participate in annual events such as Wyatt Earp Days, Helldorado, etc. These events are attended by MANY Brits... who I think are willing to spend much money just to 'mingle' in the gun culture celebrations of that type. Their 'period' rigs are absolutely authentic for the late `1870's early-mid 1880's 'n some are groups of western re-enactors who also do this in the UK. Aside from bein' funny as hell... (to talk to); they have nuthin' at all good to say about the current state of affairs in the UK. Particularly the ninny's who think and write similarly to this author in question.

Now... on these days ('n others) in Tombstone... there's maybe several hundred (or more) rough lookin' armed men (and a few women)wanderin' about with loaded.45, .44-40 SAA's, Derringers, '73 Winchesters, Spencer's, 'n reallyBIG knives... Most have been drinkin' to some extent... 'n there's hardly a problem.What problems there are come from the un-heeled tourists... not the armed contingent. These Brits absolutely LOVE our free exercise of the 2A... altho when not doing their re-enactments (with blanks) cannot themselves carry loaded firearms in AZ. They're OK with that... Envious... but OK with it. I've encountered Aussies, Germans, French, Irish, Swiss 'n some others there who think the same.... particulary women (which surprises me).

Just 'cause we don't hear about the non-ninny's, don't mean they don't exist. They just don't get a voice... Pretty much the same as here. Everybody's heard of 'Brady' but very few of OCDO. If you look at where the major media broadcasts from... LA, NY, DC... 'n look at the gun laws in their localities... This is where these anti-gun opinions come from. Hoplophobia is a created (irrational) condition.

 

[Tomahawk]

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Sonora Rebel wrote:

I regularly go to Tombstone (AZ) and participate in annual events such as Wyatt Earp Days, Helldorado, etc. These events are attended by MANY Brits... who I think are willing to spend much money just to 'mingle' in the gun culture celebrations of that type. Their 'period' rigs are absolutely authentic for the late `1870's early-mid 1880's 'n some are groups of western re-enactors who also do this in the UK. Aside from bein' funny as hell... (to talk to); they have nuthin' at all good to say about the current state of affairs in the UK. Particularly the ninny's who think and write similarly to this author in question.

Now... on these days ('n others) in Tombstone... there's maybe several hundred (or more) rough lookin' armed men (and a few women)wanderin' about with loaded.45, .44-40 SAA's, Derringers, '73 Winchesters, Spencer's, 'n reallyBIG knives... Most have been drinkin' to some extent... 'n there's hardly a problem.What problems there are come from the un-heeled tourists... not the armed contingent. These Brits absolutely LOVE our free exercise of the 2A... altho when not doing their re-enactments (with blanks) cannot themselves carry loaded firearms in AZ. They're OK with that... Envious... but OK with it. I've encountered Aussies, Germans, French, Irish, Swiss 'n some others there who think the same.... particulary women (which surprises me).

Just 'cause we don't hear about the non-ninny's, don't mean they don't exist. They just don't get a voice... Pretty much the same as here. Everybody's heard of 'Brady' but very few of OCDO. If you look at where the major media broadcasts from... LA, NY, DC... 'n look at the gun laws in their localities... This is where these anti-gun opinions come from. Hoplophobia is a created (irrational) condition.

I notice the same thing among most foreigners when I OC. Me and a buddy in college in Pennsylvania once took a German engineering student out to the range with us and had a blast. He was a little nervous at first, and astounded at the casual way in which we carried our firearms in our vehicles, bought ammo at WalMart without any hassle, and the number of firearms we owned between the two of us. Another student there was from England, and he owned a Star Firestar 9mm and a Remington 870 shotgun, which both saw heavy use. Many of the business owners in my area are foreigners, and they areusually notthe ones who give me trouble when they see me OC.

 

[shad0wfax]

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Alex Hannaford wrote:

But why, in a country where gun ownership is enshrined in law, are there people who want to have them on display? Surely as long as the man standing next to you in line at the grocery store isn't visibly packing heat, you won't start sweating and making for the nearest exit. Back in 1999, a friend and I hitched a ride in a Long Island suburb, and five minutes into the journey we realised our driver was wearing a pistol. It turned out he was a plain-clothed police officer, but the damage to my nerves was already done. I think if Americans must exercise their right to bear arms, they should do so in private where it can't hurt anybody (or have I missed the point?).

Just change the words "bear arms" to "be openly gay" and see if the wording of his article is still neutral, or if it would be considered offensive and politically incorrect.

If we're going to celebrate diversity then we need to celebrate all forms of diversity. If Spain (and many other countries, the US included) can have naked bicycle rides (which are technically ILLEGAL) then why can't I wear my gun "naked" which is LEGAL?

The hypocrisy of the media never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Sonora Rebel]

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Alex Hannaford is a pantywaist weenie; obviously born w/o a pair! :what:

 

[marshaul]

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KansasMustang wrote:

This fella says he gets nervous at the mere site of a weapon, I'm sorry. Do you think it's just going to go off? Is it a ugly, poopy, nasty ole gun?

This is why people must OC good-looking guns! If his friend had a 1911 instead of a Glock she could have put it on the counter all day without making him nervous! :banghead:


:lol:

 

[marshaul]

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Sonora Rebel wrote:

Now... on these days ('n others) in Tombstone... there's maybe several hundred (or more) rough lookin' armed men (and a few women) wanderin' about with loaded .45, .44-40 SAA's, Derringers, '73 Winchesters, Spencer's, 'n really BIG knives... Most have been drinkin' to some extent... 'n there's hardly a problem. 

Sonora Rebel, you didn't...! :shock:

Didn't you know that guns and alcohol don't mix at all in any quantity!? You will uncontrollably shoot someone and make gun owners look bad, and you simply can't prevent this. :what:


:quirky

 

[Sonora Rebel]

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'Mazin' how that never happens. I hope Sarah Brady shows up down there one day... She'll fall over dead from the shock.:shock: (which wouldn't be a bad thing..)

 

[All American Nightmare]

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I will contribute to a one way plane ticket to the UK if he feels that he has to many rights in the US. Fortunately for him the same bill of rights that enable him to write his thoughts and get them published are the same bill of rights that give US citizens the right to keep and bear arms.

 

[Xader]

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Huck wrote:

How far the British have fallen! after reading that article I wonder if this chicken@#$% bloke is a example of the average Brit these days.

What happened to the people who built a worldwide empire that the sun never sat on? Who's navy ruled the seas for over 300 years? The people who stood alone against the might of Nazi Germany in the dark days of 1940-41? If this guy's a example of the modern Brit those people are gone. It's a real shame.

III

Just goes to show, that it's not only this country in which that truly was the "Greatest Generation"

BTW, the comments on that article are just about enough to make you cry. A "civilization" that lives in fear of an object, and "knows" that a gun will turn you into into a murderous psychopath with penile insecurity. :banghead:

 

[suntzu]

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Everything old is new again--I have seen this article in the UK news before--written exactly the same way, and by the same man. I'll say now what I said then...Alex Hannaford is a spineless individual who wants to project his own insecurities onto everyone else.

 

[DEROS72]

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DopaVash wrote:

15,000 people signed the petition? Just slightly more than that, guy. Try 50,000

Anyhow, because you're not secure enough in yourself to trust yourself with a gun, does not mean that no one should. Don't project your feelings of inferiority onto us, seeing a firearm as more than a tool to a certain purpose; immediately seeing a carried firearm as some extension of ego. Also, I find it endlessly entertaining that you bring up the number of murders in Austin and Lambeth. Firearms are completely banned in one of the places, and one of the places has a staunchly higher murder rate. Connection? Yup. Funny that I know that after firearms were completely banned in your country the crime rate has skyrocketed, but you somehow do not. Or you choose not to see. Or perhaps you believe that this was caused for some other reason.


BTW, That your precious nerves are so sensitive that they could be damaged by merely seeing a gun speaks volumes about you.

Really ...have the Brits become afraid of their own shadow these days? I carrie my weapon everday and I assure you we will not be giving up our second ammendment.



In my bank......

 

[Flyer22]

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suntzu wrote:

Everything old is new again--I have seen this article in the UK news before--written exactly the same way, and by the same man. I'll say now what I said then...Alex Hannaford is a spineless individual who wants to project his own insecurities onto everyone else.

That's because the article and the start of this thread is a year old.