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UK Guardian Covers the Open Carry Movement Sweeping the USA

GumiBear

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Tomahawk wrote:
Quite aside from the question of why she was even carrying a gun (to defend herself, she said, even though in Austin, a city of just under 750,000 people, there were just 30 murders last year, compared to, say, the London borough of Lambeth, population 273,000, where there were 23), at least she'd left it in her car.
So let me see, some math makes it okay for this woman to be a victim of violent crime, as long as she's just one of a few. Unbelievable. I guess it never occurs to guys like this that for the actual victims, there is 100% probability of being a victim. But hey, you know, from a social engineering standpoint, those poor devils are just a few broken eggs in the Big Omelet, right?

I want to slap this man in the face.
Yeah it seems that a maniac wielding a knife can't do as much damage as a maniac with a gun. I'm sorry but dead is dead, whether you are the only victim or not. Try telling the family of the one dead person that was killed by someone with a knife "Hey at least he was the only one, just think if the guy had a gun there would have been more dead than just your husband". Yet if the guy being attacked with a knife had a gun to protect himself the outcome may have been different. Why is it that they want to stick their chest out and say "see since the ban gun violence has decreased", yet crime is on the rise, that is why now they are banning knives with blades longer than 3 inches.Before it is all over with they'll be eating withtheir fingers becauseplastic sporks will be banned next.
 

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So per 1000 citizens thehomicide rate in Lambeth(no guns)is roughly double that of Austin (guns). Definitely more dangerous in Lambeth.
 

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richlub wrote:
Tomahawk
I want to slap this man in the face.
You are going to have to catch him first... I'm sure he will run and hide under his bed at the sight of a man approaching him with anything similar to a balled up fist :)
No, you don't need a balled up fist. Simple posession of a hand should suffice - after all, it has the POTENTIAL to be used against him.
 

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he doesn't get it and he never will.

his government has trained him to be a servant. and he'll probably never shake it.
 

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truck2201 wrote:
Mike wrote:
Quite aside from the question of why she was even carrying a gun (to defend herself, she said, even though in Austin, a city of just under 750,000 people, there were just 30 murders last year, compared to, say, the London borough of Lambeth, population 273,000, where there were 23), at least she'd left it in her car.

Yea, those ultra strict gun laws in the UK are certainly proving his point for him. :banghead:
10 per 250,000 in Austin (with the ability to carry at all), or 23 per 273,000 in a gun free zone. Almost 2.5 times higher rate where guns are not supposed to exist. Hmmm

Love those stats...
 

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England, are they still a country?

Last I heard they joined the E.U., and nexthad to turn all their personal weapons/firearms in. I hear the crime rate is still pretty high despite the fact the people have no adequatetools for selfdefense. I also read, knives seem to be the new weapon of choiceover there now. But that is just media sources. Maybe they are twisting that too. Oooh, what a scary place! They will be turning in everything, but butter knives and screw drivers less than 3inchs. in length next. And people will still be getting robbed at gun point.

Knock on wood, that crap hasn't happened here yet.
 

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I am not sure whether to laugh or cry. When I visit my parents, the first thing that I usually do is remove my carry holster, and set it with the glock on top of the refridgerator (yesterday, my Mom's, or should I say Mum's .38 was already up there). After dinner, I pulled out my new LCP to show my Dad. Good thing the Limey wasn't over there, he might have wet himself right there, especially after I started cleaning my Mum's .38, right there at the dinner table, in front of God and everybody.

:monkey:monkey:monkey:monkey
 

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David817 wrote:
...especially after I started cleaning my Mum's .38, right there at the dinner table, in front of God and everybody.
Your a mad man David! Don't you understand how DANGEROUS that gun is?!?!

Could have jumped right out of your hand and killed everyone in the room. You need to learn to be more afraid of inanimate objects!

Not to mention the ones on the refrigerator that had the high ground on ya!!

;)
 

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The British perspective has been made manifest in its former colonies-- India and Jamaica. The Mumbai terror attacks shocked the British-clone East Indian culture out of their denial that they could not be harmed because they have a nuclear arsenal and own Jaguar! Now, sadly, the poorer cousin Jamaica is suffering from the British genetic flaw of failing to recognize the unalterable necessity for a man or woman to be able to personally protect life, limb, and property:

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20081212/letters/letters1.html

Imagine... a preacher in Canada (of all places) calling for the re-arming of law-abiding citizens in an independent British Commonwealth country!:shock:

And they talk about us crazy, gun-totin' Texans.... :D
 

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I think that George Patton said it best, "WE and the British are two people SEPARATED by a common language". Never cared much for Tea and Crumpets, myself.
 

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FMCDH wrote:
David817 wrote:
...especially after I started cleaning my Mum's .38, right there at the dinner table, in front of God and everybody.
Your a mad man David! Don't you understand how DANGEROUS that gun is?!?!

Could have jumped right out of your hand and killed everyone in the room. You need to learn to be more afraid of inanimate objects!

Not to mention the ones on the refrigerator that had the high ground on ya!!

;)

It is a wonder that the evil karma from the guns did not seep into my veins and turn me into a homicidal maniac, even after all these years. My Dad recently found some 30+yr old b&w photos of my Boy Scout troop on our annual rifle and pistol campout.

:monkey:celebrate:monkey:celebrate
 

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I wish that I could remember where I read it. If I remember right, I read an account of an armed robbery in London in 1904 where 2 suspects were being pursued by the police. Since the police were unarmed by their departments policy, they were afraid of what would happen when they caught up to the robbers. Men on the street, seeing the situation, voluntarily gave up their own pistols to the officers for their use, not even considering that the weapons would not be returned. The officers were then able to arrest the robbers. The year may not be correct, but I remember the account andthinking of how things have changed.

The police were not afraid of being unarmed because they so rarely needed to be, and when the situation arose, there were plenty of armed citizens around to back them up.

In the article it was stated that at that time no true London gentleman would leave the house without his pistol somewhere on his person. It was like putting on a fancy pocket watch and a hat, you weren't completely dressed until you were armed. Winston Churchill refused to stop carrying his 1911, even while in office,after finding out that his bodyguard carrieda small caliber pistol instead of a .45.:lol:

By the way, in 1904 there were 4 armed robberies in all of London, then the largest city in the world. It would appear that all of those armed citizens were not all that dangerous after all.:celebrate
 

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How far the British have fallen! after reading that article I wonder if this chickenshitbloke is a example of the average Brit these days.

What happened to the people who built a worldwide empire that the sun never sat on? Who's navy ruled the seas for over 300 years?The people who stood alone against the might of Nazi Germany in the dark days of1940-41? If this guy's a example of the modern Brit those people are gone. It's a real shame. :(

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Huck wrote:
How far the British have fallen! after reading that article I wonder if this chicken@#$%bloke is a example of the average Brit these days.

What happened to the people who built a worldwide empire that the sun never sat on? Who's navy ruled the seas for over 300 years?The people who stood alone against the might of Nazi Germany in the dark days of1940-41? If this guy's a example of the modern Brit those people are gone. It's a real shame. :(

III
Sad. I guess Nevil Chamberlain would be too strong of a leader today. Sad. They are starting to make the French look good.
 

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tashkerra wrote:
The British perspective has been made manifest in its former colonies...
Living in a former British colony myself, it occurs to me that perhaps the requirement needed to "shake off" the British perspective on gun control is to have used guns to throw off the oppressive rule of the empire and gain our independence. I guess after that we figured these guns were kind of handy things to keep around.

TFred, who lives in one of those which claim to be the most historic city in America.
 

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The British perspective has been made manifest in its former colonies...
Living in a former British colony myself, it occurs to me that perhaps the requirement needed to "shake off" the British perspective on gun control is to have used guns to throw off the oppressive rule of the empire and gain our independence. I guess after that we figured these guns were kind of handy things to keep around. TFred, who lives in one of those which claim to be the most historic city in America.
I apologize for not making my statement more clear. The former colonies of India and Jamaica achieved their independence during what many consider the modern era of the 20th century [ India, 1947; Jamaica, 1962 ]. Moreover, their transition was marked by integration of British social structure and behaviors much moreso than the belligerent 'upstarts'-- the Americans (Thank God!).

As such, my statements were meant to convey a growing realization in both countries that the Founding Fathers had great vision in branding the right to bear arms into the United States Constitution. They knew, from the clarity of history and the experience of men, that no government could protect all of its citizens in all instances; therefore, individual, law-abiding citizens could better protect themselves if armed.

Used weapons, whether acquired on the battelfield, from family and community, or from surplus government stock, are not without honor, history, and utility. So your allusion to the 'handiness' of post-Revolutionary weapons is, as the British are wont to say-- " Spot on." And as such, these new ' revolutionaries ' may well tap into this behavior to make safe their lands, family, and community.
 

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Another point of clarification: I ' Thank God ' that America chose the abrupt and reformative path to independence and the Constitution. God Bless the USA!!!
 

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right on! EVERYONE SHOULD CARRY A GUN AT ALL TIMES! IT'S THE AMERICAN RIGHT AND THE AMERICAN WAY. DON'T LET ANY ASS WIPES TELL YOU WHAT TO DO! THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ANTI GUN ARE THE ONES THAT HIDE BEHIND THEIR MOTHER'S SKIRTS. ALSO, OLD COUNTRY BUFFET HAS NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN QUESTION PEOPLE ABOUT THEIR WEAPONS, THAT'S WHY MOST OF THEIR PERSONNEL ARE OBESE.
 

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OMANDA wrote:
right on! EVERYONE SHOULD CARRY A GUN AT ALL TIMES! IT'S THE AMERICAN RIGHT AND THE AMERICAN WAY. DON'T LET ANY ASS WIPES TELL YOU WHAT TO DO! THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ANTI GUN ARE THE ONES THAT HIDE BEHIND THEIR MOTHER'S SKIRTS. ALSO, OLD COUNTRY BUFFET HAS NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN QUESTION PEOPLE ABOUT THEIR WEAPONS, THAT'S WHY MOST OF THEIR PERSONNEL ARE OBESE.
My troll alarm must be acting up again. It immediately started ringing after I read this post. :lol:
 
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