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The sigh heard across the world.

WalkingWolf

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Weeeellllll, I'd argue with you, but you did add "IMO" so I guess I'm gonna have to let it slide... :lol:

:monkey

And it will not do you any good. You have the pleasure to find it offensive, just like I do. There is nothing I can do about offensive opinions, but I can tell people who use them to control others how offensive it is. I would not defend this type of anti OC opinion even with some that I consider good friends. It is wrong, and it is disgusting, as well as anti liberty.
 

utbagpiper

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And it will not do you any good. You have the pleasure to find it offensive, just like I do. There is nothing I can do about offensive opinions, but I can tell people who use them to control others how offensive it is. I would not defend this type of anti OC opinion even with some that I consider good friends. It is wrong, and it is disgusting, as well as anti liberty.

Kind of like when some attack CC?

If gutshot is talking about legal negligence that should result in criminal or civil penalties if someone does something with/to someone else's legally OC'd firearm, I'll agree with your assessment, WalkingWolf.

But if he is using "negligent" in the colloquial, non-legal sense to mean simply, "a bad idea that maybe should be avoided," I don't see the issue. Depending on training and personal SA, as well as equipment choices (retention holster vs non-retention), there are some situations where at least some should consider not OCing. In addition to safety concerns with maintaining control of a firearm, there might also be social issues to consider. I don't much care what some stranger thinks. But if a close family member is anti-gun, or even pro-gun but thinks an OCd firearm is inappropriate at his wedding, what is more important to me: OCing or attending the wedding "appropriately" attired to support my family? (Especially if I can legally CC thus not sacrificing my best ability to defend myself.)

Not every 2% disagreement is grand heresy. We've got plenty of real opponents. We needn't go looking for and magnifying minor disagreements from those who almost entirely agree with us.

Charles
 

J_dazzle23

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Heck, I can think of a good reason it would be negligent of me to open carry a good 3 days a week. When I am in scrubs for work or sweatpants, my glock 19 in a serpa cannot be securely retained. Much better for me to throw a ruger lcp in my pocket with a trigger guard on it.

It would be negligent of me to carry my 1911 in its passive retention kydex holster if I was going to a deftones concert. It would be far better, if open carrying, to use at least a level two holster if not just conceal my m&p shield.

Someone saying it's not a good idea and could be considered negligence is not grossly infringing others' rights or spewing blasphemy.

There are plenty out there that actually want to take our rights away. Better to take the fight to them, rather than those it our own camp.
 

WalkingWolf

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Heck, I can think of a good reason it would be negligent of me to open carry a good 3 days a week. When I am in scrubs for work or sweatpants, my glock 19 in a serpa cannot be securely retained. Much better for me to throw a ruger lcp in my pocket with a trigger guard on it.

It would be negligent of me to carry my 1911 in its passive retention kydex holster if I was going to a deftones concert. It would be far better, if open carrying, to use at least a level two holster if not just conceal my m&p shield.

Someone saying it's not a good idea and could be considered negligence is not grossly infringing others' rights or spewing blasphemy.

There are plenty out there that actually want to take our rights away. Better to take the fight to them, rather than those it our own camp.

You are responsible for you, that is the big difference. I am responsible for me, get outside those areas of responsibility you might as well tell the tides to stop, demand hurricanes and tornadoes stop killing people. A wise person only attempts control of one person, a fool tries to control others.

But I am sure Hillary is relieved that her opinions are OK because they are her opinions.
 

J_dazzle23

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You are responsible for you, that is the big difference. I am responsible for me, get outside those areas of responsibility you might as well tell the tides to stop, demand hurricanes and tornadoes stop killing people. A wise person only attempts control of one person, a fool tries to control others.

But I am sure Hillary is relieved that her opinions are OK because they are her opinions.

Forgive me- I didn't see where someone attempting to control another here in this thread.

Are we going to play the all opinions are equal game?
 

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Not really, though, more like the sigh heard across the store, or the sigh heard across the waiting line at subway. ...
OC/CC/NC when/as you see fit. In that particular situation, as with any other situation, OC is appropriate based on your determination alone. I would have OCed in that situation as well, and would do so to this day.

I commend you on your restraint.

+1
 

solus

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why has nobody addressed the gun grab or the unintentional discharge while being in a crowd...

i personally don't give a rat's arse about gut's opinion carrying in a crowd that is based on his own inadequacies, real or perceived...but his comments must stem from some w/viable reference for this august member to mention these situations like the scenario occurs regularly or these activity(ies) is a real possibility.

i, and perhaps ya'l, should be worried our SA activities in crowds are inadequate especially since this member posted the issue.

ipse
 
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