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The penalty for false accusations...

WalkingWolf

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The court of public opinion, and the justice system has different rules. Sometimes that court of public opinion can legally affect ones job status, or their ability to even get a job. That is called the common law of consequences. Is it sometimes unfair? sure, but it is legal. No one can be forced to buy, or watch a product because they find the behavior of someone offensive, that is living in a free country.

As far as this is concerned a prosecutor that recused herself later drops the charges. All parties involved have a relationship with a former president and his family smells of collusion, and obstruction of justice. Appoint a special counsel!
 

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I am proposing no new law. What Smollett did is already illegal. I am suggesting that the penalty should recognize the penalty that another could have suffered had Smollett been believed (and he was believed initially).

Also,there has been some recognition of wrongdoing. It seems Smollett has been given community service and a $10,000 fine. (They are keeping the money he put up for bail.)

Even uber-leftist Democrat Rahm Emanuel is up in arms over Smollett’s sweetheart deal.

Oh, and it wasn’t me that brought up “legal” guilt. That was someone else’s nit to pick, that got picked and picked and picked and picked...
 

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I am proposing no new law. What Smollett did is already illegal. I am suggesting that the penalty should recognize the penalty that another could have suffered had Smollett been believed (and he was believed initially).

Also,there has been some recognition of wrongdoing. It seems Smollett has been given community service and a $10,000 fine. (They are keeping the money he put up for bail.)

Even uber-leftist Democrat Rahm Emanuel is up in arms over Smollett’s sweetheart deal.

Oh, and it wasn’t me that brought up “legal” guilt. That was someone else’s nit to pick, that got picked and picked and picked and picked...

Methinks thou dost protest too much
 

Ghost1958

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I am proposing no new law. What Smollett did is already illegal. I am suggesting that the penalty should recognize the penalty that another could have suffered had Smollett been believed (and he was believed initially).

Also,there has been some recognition of wrongdoing. It seems Smollett has been given community service and a $10,000 fine. (They are keeping the money he put up for bail.)

Even uber-leftist Democrat Rahm Emanuel is up in arms over Smollett’s sweetheart deal.

Oh, and it wasn’t me that brought up “legal” guilt. That was someone else’s nit to pick, that got picked and picked and picked and picked...

I don't think he got community service. A judge would order that and he never went before one.

I do think you are correct in that his bail was forfeited.
 

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Quote NYT
...the Cook County State’s Attorney’s Office noted that Mr. Smollett had no history of violent crime or other felonies, his agreement to forfeit his $10,000 bond payment and his “volunteer service in the community.”

The statement raised several questions, including whether the community service was part of a deal to end the case (a prosecutor said it was; Smollett’s lawyers said there had been no quid pro quo). It also left many wondering: just what service had Smollett done?

A batch of letters and memos from various organizations, released by the state’s attorney’s office, provided some answers.

They mentioned performances that Mr. Smollett, who is also a singer, had done at the national conference of the Kennedy Forum, an organization run by the former congressman Patrick J. Kennedy that focuses on mental health; appearances at the Catalyst Circle Rock School, a predominantly black charter school in Chicago; and work with the City Lights Orchestra, the Boys & Girls Club, and the Black AIDS Institute, whose chief executive wrote that he had “never worked with anyone who was more willing than Jussie to spend his talent, time and money to help other people.”

And on Saturday, as his legal team was finalizing talks with prosecutors about dropping the case, Mr. Smollett turned up at Rainbow/Push.
Unquote

By the way eye95, next time get your uncited facts str8...rainbow/push!!! [The Rainbow PUSH Coalition (RPC) is a multi-racial, multi-issue, progressive, international membership organization fighting for social change.]

ACQUITTED
 

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“In return for forfeiting his bond to the City of Chicago and doing his community service, we agreed to dismiss the charges against him. He did community service for Operation PUSH [emphasis mine].” — Prosecuting attorney Joe Magats.

Before one nitpicks posted facts, one ought to make sure that he has his facts straight.
 

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“In return for forfeiting his bond to the City of Chicago and doing his community service, we agreed to dismiss the charges against him. He did community service for Operation PUSH [emphasis mine].” — Prosecuting attorney Joe Magats.

Before one nitpicks posted facts, one ought to make sure that he has his facts straight.

Mate, you pulled that alleged erroneous quote out where? OH I know again from newspeek WHIO media - HUH!

From rainbow/push news report...
A Statement from the Rainbow PUSH Coalition on Jussie Smollett

The Rainbow PUSH Coalition is an international human rights/civil rights organization that is committed to advancing the human rights of all people. When we first heard of Jussie Smollett’s crisis, we reached out to him and “Empire” to see if we could be helpful. Jussie met with us and has given of himself to our organization and the movement for social justice.

We have members and supporters across the country and around the world. Many of our members and supporters give of themselves and their time to help achieve the goals of the organization. Jussie is a member of our organization. He, like many other members, has given of his time and talent and continues to do so. During this period of disruption to his life and livelihood, Jussie has spent time here helping to advance this important work. There was no court-ordered community service here.

Media questions about the rationale for dismissing the charges against Jussie are best directed to his counsel and the Office of the State’s Attorney. The prosecutors’ decision to dismiss the charges are the prosecutors alone, and Jussie should not be the one to defend the decision. He has maintained his innocence from the very beginning.

At a time when our city is wrestling with excessive violence and unsolved homicides our resources and energies should be focused there. Any further questions about Jussie Smollett’s case should be directed to his lawyer.

We will continue to reach out to the challenges in our community. We will not stop until there is peace and justice for all.

Don Terry​

Appropriately cited from the organizational President of Rainbow/push
 
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Mueller should be called back to town to investigate possible collusion between the Obamas and the Smollett prosecutors!


Sigh, why on earth eye95 are you absolutely so infatuated & fixated on this personal crusade to instigate mob rule to harm Jessie’s reputation in the court of public domain on this public forum.

FBI under McCabe instituted and kept dossiers on trump...got him fired! [course hoover did it in secret]
 

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No one is ever declared innocent. Being acquitted has nothing to do with innocence. You can be acquitted of murder, but that does not mean you are innocent of killing.

CoL - with all due respect, this cretin was not "acquitted" as there was no trial. He was merely "released" because Kim Foxx declined to prosecute him. And, rightfully so, SHE is now under scrutiny for "influencing" the case (can you say "collusion") by talking with a family member AND the former First Wookie's ex-chief of staff.
As expected, this is typical of Chicago politics. A "privileged elitist", a "minority", "sexually perverse" Trump-hater - NAAHH - nothing is going to happen to him. 💩
 

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a little off the subject.....but this incident get my elementary school thinking.

What happens if this situation is applied to "Red Flag law"?

What happens when the list of Red flag victims are put onto the "No Fly" list or other secret lists?
 
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Er, uh, little off the subject...

We already have informative and glorious thread(s) about emergency risk protective orders affecting this Nation’s citizens ownership of their firearms.

Please notice i used the term citizen not an alleged terrorist [false positive incidents notwithstanding] surely you understand the the connotation to your query.
 
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CoL - with all due respect, this cretin was not "acquitted" as there was no trial. He was merely "released" because Kim Foxx declined to prosecute him. And, rightfully so, SHE is now under scrutiny for "influencing" the case (can you say "collusion") by talking with a family member AND the former First Wookie's ex-chief of staff.
As expected, this is typical of Chicago politics. A "privileged elitist", a "minority", "sexually perverse" Trump-hater - NAAHH - nothing is going to happen to him. 💩
JT, with all due respect, I was responding to eye95's statement: "No one has declared him innocent." However, if you think otherwise, please point to my specific statement where I said this Smullet guy was acquitted.
 

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a little off the subject.....but this incident get my elementary school thinking.

What happens if this situation is applied to "Red Flag law"?

What happens when the list of Red flag victims are put onto the "No Fly" list or other secret lists?
As far as it is now public opinion has nothing to do with red flag laws, or no fly lists. That is what seems to be the problem here, opinoins that see opinions as something that can be shaped by law, they cannot. Though opinions can affect how the law is enforced, as we have seen with this case. The opinions of prosecutors shaped by the influence of famous, and important people.

I believe a couple firearms were taken seized from the Nigerian brothers apartment. Other than that I don't believe Smellit so far has had Red Flag Law invoked on him because of the opinion of people like me. The Chicago police would probably laugh at me if I called them telling them they should take Smellit's guns.
 

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Protected classes are not subject to any penalties for filing a false police report for the most part. The mere mention of holding a citizen accountable for filing a false police report harms the protected class status. Example: #MeToo. Smollett resides in several protected classes...he walks...no biggie.
 

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All this mumbo jumbo kinda remind me of the time i rode the roller coaster backward and i threw up midair. I see why average citizens give up trying to understand this backward thinking.
 

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Oh lookie eye95, more good news about your buddy Jessie...
USA Today quote...
Smollett is nominated for the 2019 NAACP Image Awards, scheduled for Saturday. Six-time host and "Black-ish" star Anthony Anderson told Variety on Wednesday that he hopes to see the controversial actor there.

“I hope he wins," Anderson added. "I’m happy for him that the system worked for him in his favor because the system isn’t always fair, especially for people of color. So I’m glad it worked out for him." Unquote https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...st-anthony-anderson-hopes-he-wins/3298234002/

Mate, you just love it when someone you have been vilifying in the court of public opinion after they fell into scat and then come out acquitted & nominated for a NAACP award.

ONLY IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY!

HUZZAH
 

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Let's get something straight, black absorbs all colors, therefore blacks cannot be persons of color. White is also not a color. White reflect all colors, therefore whites cannot be persons of color.

Res judicata facit ex albo nigrum, ex nigro album, ex curvo rectum, ex recto curvum.
 
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