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The great arming is underway, and that’s a very good thing for our nation . . .

countryclubjoe

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And so what you 'believe" just has to be true for everyone. You don't get to speak for me, however. There is no point in arguing this here, but I suggest you get some further education by reading such things as Lysander Spooner. He's much more eloquent than I am.

No, I don't advocate or encourage armed rebellion. I wish with all my heart it would never come to that, but as in 1776, I fear very much that it will. I'm 71 years old, and have very little time left on earth, but I do what I can to remind people of the liberty they have tossed away, and prepare the best I can for the coming storm.

MaMa, don't sell yourself short, you could surely articulate " The maxim applies here, that what does not appear, does not exist. If they can show no Principals, they have none." Spooner, No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority.. Page 34...

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Wow. A newbie poster who refuses to indicate where he is located, not even his or her state, with a grand total of 76 posts to date, has now taken on the mantle of speaking for everyone else on the site.

So James, when a poster like Beretta92fsQueer, JThunter2, papabear, California Right To Carry, phoneguy, or any of the other numerous forum members who lack a specifc location in their profile (for whatever reason) coupled with minimal posts are to be summarily dismissed by you?

or are you just plan cranky when someone calls you out for your relenless pursuing another member for evidence just for a boast to your personal ego trip, some are truly annoyed with your pursuit of stroking your ego.

as stated get over yourself.
 

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See the quote from our learned friend from Utah above your previous response. He said it before I had the chance to reply and most likely said it more clearly and effectively than I could have.

Will you ever be able to reply without categorizing the posters inaccurately? I am not a "slave to the system," I am a "liberty-minded person" who understands that we live in a society of laws. If we do not like some of the laws, we work within the system as, yes, law-abiding citizens who work through the legal structures to effect change. You continue to advocate disregarding laws that are, in your opinion, unconstitutional but can provide no proof or examples of how you have successfully done so or how you have triumphed over the "petty tyrants" that you constantly castigate. Talk is cheap, and bandwidth is relatively free. Lead by public, verifiable and documented example and your postings might carry more educational weight. As it is now, you should be regarded as just another keyboard commando whose efforts pale in comparison to those who have actually worked within the system to effect those changes. Prove me wrong. Document those successes so that we may all learn.

" I DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN MYSELF, I DON'T NEED ANY REASONS AT ALL "... MaMaLiberty

Mr Canby You show off all your wonderful titles in your signature... Do I ask that you provide validations for said titles? No, I do not.. Please allow me the same courtesy...

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CCJ
 

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" I DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN MYSELF, I DON'T NEED ANY REASONS AT ALL "... MaMaLiberty

Mr Canby You show off all your wonderful titles in your signature... Do I ask that you provide validations for said titles? No, I do not.. Please allow me the same courtesy...

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CCJ

Mine are easily and publicly verifiable .... and yours?
 

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To truly advocate requires providing some path to success. One does not advocate to reduce gravity, for example. In that case, one is merely tilting at windmills.

When do you intend to provide a path to success in "fighting for our rights" without ending up in jail or prison, or having property confiscated? Civil disobedience may have its uses, but it is not law abiding. I contend that an armed man had better be very, very careful before engaging in even the most peaceful civil disobedience.

You've not yet advocated for anything, but have merely encouraged forum members to place themselves at legal risk.

I await your reply with actionable information on how you have successfully thrown off the chains of privilege and exchanged them for the freedom of your rights. Until then, sadly, posts such as this must be regarded as merely an agent provocateur making sport of encouraging others to get into legal trouble needlessly.

I am encouraging members to think about their rights v privileges... You obviously think our members can't think for themselves. Also calling someone a " statist". is not an insult especially if they appear as statist via their post.. While my observation thereof may be incorrect, it surely is not an insult..

The fact that you don't think our members can think for themselves is indeed insulting!

I propose we stop going back and forth and move forward.. We can always agree to disagree..

Regards
CCJ
 

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Mine are easily and publicly verifiable .... and yours?

Of course James, verifiable through your promoted website and the Portal and the only reason was to qualify as a MD firearm instructor (mandatory requirement to be an instructor of a nationally recognized shooting sports entity), so you could cash in on the $$$$ flowing for providing NVa & MD citizens their CC training, you got a few of your NRA shooting sports certs, including Chief RSO.

nice, thousands of American citizens followed the same path, so?
 

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Of course James, verifiable through your promoted website and the Portal and the only reason was to qualify as a MD firearm instructor (mandatory requirement to be an instructor of a nationally recognized shooting sports entity), so you could cash in on the $$$$ flowing for providing NVa & MD citizens their CC training, you got a few of your NRA shooting sports certs, including Chief RSO.

nice, thousands of American citizens followed the same path, so?

Wow. You really know everything there is to know about me, don't you? Not.

My mission is to educate my fellow citizens in the safe and effective use of firearms and to insure they remain safe while honing their skills on the range that employs me. The trivial amount of proceeds that I make in doing so is plowed right back into continuing education and the materials necessary to provide the classes.

What have YOU done to advance the ability of law-abiding citizens to achieve a higher level of self-defense?
 

Firearms Iinstuctor

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Some can some do some can't.

It is easy to determine those apart.

I always thought with those basing others for making so called easy money.

If it was so easy to do and there is so much money to be made.

If the job is so simple and easy to get into and one really doesn't have to work very hard to make a lot of money.

One would think that those who think so would go and get the training and start making easy money to.

Or if their convictions where such they would just spend hours and hours and many dollars then just teach the skills that they acquired for free donating more of their own time and money.
 
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wabbit

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Wow. You really know everything there is to know about me, don't you? Not.

My mission is to educate my fellow citizens in the safe and effective use of firearms and to insure they remain safe while honing their skills on the range that employs me. The trivial amount of proceeds that I make in doing so is plowed right back into continuing education and the materials necessary to provide the classes.

What have YOU done to advance the ability of law-abiding citizens to achieve a higher level of self-defense?

Sorry James not playing one up-man-ship with you, but that is the point isn't it...you do not have a clue about my background, my capabilities or several of the others who are carrying and providing educational activities but you continue nipping.

You, like several others, on the other hand, chase & nip when folk can't provide what you consider suitable evidence of their deeds yet you provide nothing in return to show you are capability of handling the truth, and if you, and several others, are challenged, heaven help us all as it is katie bar the door because the insults are going to flow as you, and those others, berate the offender into submission.

enjoy your life James as you could not begin to walk a mile in my shoes.
 

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Or if their convictions where such they would just spend hours and hours and many dollars then just teach the skills that they acquired for free donating more of their own time and money.

Firearms Iinstructor, I personally know of several who provide their certified instruction, materials, firearms, and ammo for free in the advancement of education, excuse me for $1 to provide due contractual consideration.
 
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Firearms Iinstuctor

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Firearms Iinstructor, I personally know of several who provide their certified instruction, materials, firearms, and ammo for free in the advancement of education, excuse me for $1 to provide due contractual consideration.

I know lots of people to.

What have you done how many certifications to you have and how many people have you trained.

Personally I have trained hundreds of 4h kids is in rifle, pistol and shotgun not only for free but normally I end up spending some of my own money.

I also charge for training using my law enforcement credentials.

I also have NRA credentials that help with both.

It is easy to sit back and complain go down to your county extension office and volunteer for the 4H shooting sports program every one of them I know of is always looking for good help.

They provide the training and certifications all it takes is some time and some money.
 
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countryclubjoe

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Wow. You really know everything there is to know about me, don't you? Not.

My mission is to educate my fellow citizens in the safe and effective use of firearms and to insure they remain safe while honing their skills on the range that employs me. The trivial amount of proceeds that I make in doing so is plowed right back into continuing education and the materials necessary to provide the classes.

What have YOU done to advance the ability of law-abiding citizens to achieve a higher level of self-defense?

James, have you ever considered adding to your signature credentials, that you never lost a peeing contest?

CCJ
 

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Seems to be that SOME on this forum are expert at these types of contests--- be it up a rope or into the wind!

Wish it would end!

Boys will be boys and we all have our 2nd amendment (toys) weapons... Sometimes blowing off some steam is productive..

While we disagree on some issues and have our own opinions on some, I support their rights to speak and their opinions. I suspect the same from them.
If we all held the same ideologies and beliefs this board and the world would be a boring place.

" It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference of opinion that makes horse races" Mark Twain
And may I add, internet forums like this one..
My .02

Regards
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wabbit

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I know lots of people to.

What have you done how many certifications to you have and how many people have you trained.

Personally I have trained hundreds of 4h kids is in rifle, pistol and shotgun not only for free but normally I end up spending some of my own money.

I also charge for training using my law enforcement credentials.

I also have NRA credentials that help with both.

It is easy to sit back and complain go down to your county extension office and volunteer for the 4H shooting sports program every one of them I know of is always looking for good help.

They provide the training and certifications all it takes is some time and some money.


Yep, 4H training at the Whittington center which is such a lovely area, or at the 10 day BSA's adult shooting sport training camps held in multiple locations across the county before local council resident camps begin for scouts, or the major BSA jamborees held in NM and WV where trump just spoke, or the 6 week local council resident summer camp.

Yes FI, (pls forgive my informality by using your initials) it is easy to sit back on our credentials and complain, but my point, as made by CCJ, each forum member brings their own skill set to the round table. I would not begin to think of challenging your teaching, skill set, class handling expertise if we were engaged at a 4H training event unless safety issues arose. i would expect no less from the professional I perceive you are.

You have talked the talk and engaged in viable discussions over the last six years which demonstrates a skill set and knowledge base, coupled with your expressed experience base, which does not lend itself to have to prove to me or anybody else you walk the walk.

However, we are aware and know there are those who suck at the expertise of conducting shooting sports activities and I presume you would, like I would, call them out to those in charge of programs to preclude skill, knowledge, or safety misinformation being taught to novice firearm learners.

as for my background, let's leave it at a gentleman's agreement if i venture off the established curriculum you have my permission to personally call me out to those interested in my ethical teaching skills.

Let's see, how did joesparky state it, sarcasm on:
BTW FI, speaking as we were of walking the walk, did you know there are NRA instructors advertising a supposedly new NRA class called shotgun/trap orientation to be completed all in 4 hours! Personally wondering which part of the NRA's shotgun orientation course got left out for the trap instructional & skill set portion. Question, when you were a fledgling NRA instructor candidate, do you remember your NRA TC mentioned, multiple times I'm sure, the concept of following each instructor manual at all times to preclude possible liability issues? sarcasm off.

FI, thanks for the suggestion and pep talk to get involved I might just have to investigate those avenues to assure I do my part for the cause, pro bono of course! If I can find time that is :rolleyes:
 
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Firearms Iinstuctor

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. Question, when you were a fledgling NRA instructor candidate, do you remember your NRA TC mentioned, multiple times I'm sure, the concept of following each instructor manual at all times to preclude possible liability issues? sarcasm off.

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The liability issue of following exactly what in the manual has been around for a long time. It gets down to the ridiculous with the not made here.

DOJ would not recognize my NRA credentials 4H wouldn't recognize my NRA or my DOJ Credentials NRA well not recognize my DOJ or my 4H credentials.

Even though when teaching the basics they all teach the same.

I offered to recruit a bunch of highly trained certified professionally instructors into the 4H program. Instructors that have hundred plus of hours of training just to be an instructor.

I told them that if they would recognize their training they most likely they would come. But if they required them to go through the 8 hours here 12 hours their retraining for each discipline's . They would say why I busy as it is.

That they already spend hundreds of hours learning how to instruct. A lot them learning how to instruct instructors and many more hours of actual instructor time.

I even offered my time to develop an intermediate training program just cover the slight differences in the programs.

I have lots of time developing training programs.

Nope THE NOT MADE HERE kicked in and I was told we do not care what training experience they have or what credentials they hold.

If they want to instruct for us THEY NEED TO GO TO ALL OF OUR TRANING.

Such short sightedness from a organization that begs people to come and help.

Thus I hold credentials from 3 organizations to teach basically the same thing on the entry level. I thought about getting certified by a 4th so I could help the local boy scout troop.

But I find myself very busy in my retirement.

A lot of the same ideas in this thread.

http://vb.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?135537-Professions-and-Licenses&p=2221276#post2221276

rant off.
 
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...THE NOT MADE HERE kicked in and I was told we do not care what training experience they have or what credentials they hold.

If they want to instruct for us THEY NEED TO GO TO ALL OF OUR TRANING.
Sorry about that.

Too much wash, rinse, and repeat can leave you with a worn out rag.

Why bother when the one you have now works just fine?
 
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