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Texas Open Carry HB 2756

Xelazaughra

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I've been looking on the Texas Legislature website at the bill stages for almost a month now and seen no changes. My question is what is taking so long? I understand the bill didn't make it to the House on time, but something tells me it hasn't failed yet.
 

pooley

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From what I can tell it's passing the House now with a 5 to 3 vote.

That was the committee vote. The bill itself came out of committee too late for s vote, but there's talk about possibly adding it to another bill as an amendment.
 

MR Redenck

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Wasn't there oced when that pickup truck went through the window in that cafe and kill all them people.
No, not at all.
Texas has always had Constitutional Carry for rifles, but if you do you will go to jail.
The Texas Rifle Association has never even made an attempt to fix what their suppose to protect!

Carry a rifle in Texas while in public and go to jail>>>>>>
(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;


And to address the "Luby's" issue your talking about, you couldnt even carry a handgun inside your car back in those days! You had to be traveling, but people still got arrested for it! I think it was 2007 when the motorist protection act changed that law.
Texans couldnt "legally" carry until Janurary of 1996 when the CHL went into affect. " All because of the hard work Suzanna Hupp gave us". It was Suzanna who lost her parents on that day at Luby's.
 
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Grapeshot

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Wasn't there oced when that pickup truck went through the window in that cafe and kill all them people.

If you are referring to Luby's Restaurant then no. At that time even those with concealed permits could not carry into such establishment and Texas did not have legal OC and does not still.


After watching both of her parents get killed and without the handgun that was in her car, Suzanna Gratia Hupp help change the concealed aspect of that by testifying and running for office, being elected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby's_massacre

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTainp2cY_w
 

MR Redenck

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Grapeshot, we didnt even have concealed carry in those days. No handgun carry at all.
Suzanna led the campaign to pursue the CHL in Texas. She got it passed the first go around, but Libtard Democrat Ann Richards wouldnt sign it into law. Two years later, Suzanna went for it again, and George W. Bush signed Concealed Carry into law. "GW said, I trust my fellow Texans" as he signed the bill.
 

ScottDLS

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Open Carry Rifle

No, not at all.
Texas has always had Constitutional Carry for rifles, but if you do you will go to jail.
The Texas Rifle Association has never even made an attempt to fix what their suppose to protect!

Carry a rifle in Texas while in public and go to jail>>>>>>
(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;
...
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Cite please? Of someone getting arrested for peaceably carrying a rifle down the street... or while hunting, or from car to home, etc.

Also, isn't discussion of open carry rifles against the rules of this board? Thought I saw that over on the Virgina thread... :D




--Moderator Statement--

The mere mention of long gun carry is not forbidden by rules.
It is the advocating/promoting of such that is restricted - threads devoted to long gun carry and such will be deleted or locked.

However, understand that without rules, there can be no exceptions and Mike and John as owners of the site will determine what exceptions are allowable. If you get warned or have a post deleted on the subject take heed - OCDO is private property and we are all guests here.

Point of fact the General Discussion forum is for RKBA things that are not specific to OC of handguns and the Social Lounge is available for thing normally considered OT on the other forums.
 

MR Redenck

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Cite please? Of someone getting arrested for peaceably carrying a rifle down the street... or while hunting, or from car to home, etc.

Also, isn't discussion of open carry rifles against the rules of this board? Thought I saw that over on the Virgina thread... :D




--Moderator Statement--

The mere mention of long gun carry is not forbidden by rules.
It is the advocating/promoting of such that is restricted - threads devoted to long gun carry and such will be deleted or locked.

However, understand that without rules, there can be no exceptions and Mike and John as owners of the site will determine what exceptions are allowable. If you get warned or have a post deleted on the subject take heed - OCDO is private property and we are all guests here.

Point of fact the General Discussion forum is for RKBA things that are not specific to OC of handguns and the Social Lounge is available for thing normally considered OT on the other forums.

Go to your CHL " Elitist " forum and get your answers. Im not wasting any of my time arguing with a cotton ball.
 

MR Redenck

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If you are referring to Luby's Restaurant then no. At that time even those with concealed permits could not carry into such establishment and Texas did not have legal OC and does not still.


After watching both of her parents get killed and without the handgun that was in her car, Suzanna Gratia Hupp help change the concealed aspect of that by testifying and running for office, being elected.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby's_massacre

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTainp2cY_w

Hey Grape, I sent you a PM with a news article of a man getting arrested for carry a "unloaded" rifle in Texas. Your going to like this, his son is a DPS officer. Ha
 
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ScottDLS

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OCR (Open Carry Rifle)

Cite please? Of someone getting arrested for peaceably carrying a rifle down the street... or while hunting, or from car to home, etc.

Also, isn't discussion of open carry rifles against the rules of this board? Thought I saw that over on the Virgina thread... :D




--Moderator Statement--

The mere mention of long gun carry is not forbidden by rules.
It is the advocating/promoting of such that is restricted - threads devoted to long gun carry and such will be deleted or locked.

However, understand that without rules, there can be no exceptions and Mike and John as owners of the site will determine what exceptions are allowable. If you get warned or have a post deleted on the subject take heed - OCDO is private property and we are all guests here.

Point of fact the General Discussion forum is for RKBA things that are not specific to OC of handguns and the Social Lounge is available for thing normally considered OT on the other forums.

I guess I didn't make sufficient or clear use of the available emoticons to indicate my sarcasm... What about the Texas thread arguing the ins and outs of Maryland wiretap laws....?? :confused:
 

rushcreek2

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Article 1, Section 23 [Texas Declaration of RESERVED rights] makes NO DISTINCTION between RIFLES, SHOTGUNS, HANDGUNS, BOWIE KNIVES, or CLUBS. The Texas Constitution makes only TWO DISTINCTIONS regarding the right to BEAR ARMS.

1) Every citizen shall have the right to keep and BEAR ARMS in LAWFUL defense, BUT-

2) the Legislatute shall have power, by law, to regulate THE WEARING OF ARMS , with a view TO PREVENT CRIME. This pertains to the CONCEALMENT of ARMS ONLY.

That is what Texas CONSTITUTIONAL LAW says regarding the right to keep & bear arms.

Article 1, Section 23 -(the operative , or perhaps more acurately stated - the DECLARATORY clause)- the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
(1) Applies to rifles, shotguns, handguns, Bowie Knives, switchblades, ice picks, butcher knives, and clubs - but is not limited to those arms

Article 1, Section 23 ( provisional clause)- THE WEARING OF ARMS
(2) Applies ONLY TO THE CONCEALMENT OF ARMS FOR CRIMINAL PURPOSE & INTENT.

Now you can counter with what Section 46.02(a) says, and what Section 46.035(a) says, and what some D.A. says, or some judge said - BUT that cites statutes, and case law. ALL statutes are presumed to be CONSTITUTIONAL, and the courts have the obligation to defer to the Constitution in all cases. Therefore Section 46.02 (a) DOES NOT APPLY TO THE BEARING OF ARMS IN LAWFUL DEFENSE. Section 46.035(a) [failure by CHL holder to conceal handgun] DOES NOT APPLY TO THE BEARING OF ARMS IN LAWFUL DEFENSE.

Those provisions of Texas law address CRIMINAL PURPOSE & INTENT.

Before the sputtering, and stammering begins - ponder for just a moment this question - WHICH LAW is supreme-the Texas Constitution, or the Penal Code. If there is any conflict between the two - which trumps ?

If you standby and allow any public servant to effectively deny your constitutionally declared rights - YOU are the ONE RELINQUISHING THOSE RIGHTS.

Free people do not seek the permission of their respective governments to exercise rights that they already have, and have been LEGALLY declared to be INVIOLATE and EXCEPTED FROM THE POWERS OF STATE GOVERNMENT.

I know - Yeah, BUT - Yeah, BUT...... suit yourselves folks.

You are going to have to reclaim those confiscated rights - by ASSERTING THEM, and being prepared to defend them in a courtroom if need be.
____________________________

www.lonestarcdl.org is about reclamation of confiscated rights, and we are fixin' to get busy.

It is time for every citizen who cherishes the right to bear arms to "FIRE A SHOT ACROSS THE BOW" of their corrupt legislators, Governor, and judges. None of them will voluntarily restore YOUR RIGHTS.

YOU WILL HAVE TO RECLAIM THEM - OR gradually loose them all together.
 
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Grapeshot

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Article 1, Section 23 [Texas Declaration of RESERVED rights] makes NO DISTINCTION between RIFLES, SHOTGUNS, HANDGUNS, BOWIE KNIVES, or CLUBS. The Texas Constitution makes only TWO DISTINCTIONS regarding the right to BEAR ARMS.

1) Every citizen shall have the right to keep and BEAR ARMS in LAWFUL defense, BUT-

2) the Legislatute shall have power, by law, to regulate THE WEARING OF ARMS , with a view TO PREVENT CRIME. This pertains to the CONCEALMENT of ARMS ONLY.

That is what Texas CONSTITUTIONAL LAW says regarding the right to keep & bear arms.

Article 1, Section 23 -(operative clause)- the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
(1) Applies to rifles, shotguns, handguns, Bowie Knives, switchblades, ice picks, butcher knives, and clubs - but is not limited to those arms

Article 1, Section 23 ( provisional clause)- THE WEARING OF ARMS
(2) Applies ONLY TO THE CONCEALMENT OF ARMS FOR CRIMINAL PURPOSE & INTENT.

Now you can counter with what Section 46.02(a) says, and what Section 46.035(a) says, and what some D.A. says, or some judge said - BUT that cites statutes, and case law. ALL statutes are presumed to be CONSTITUTIONAL, and the courts have the obligation to defer to the Constitution in all cases. Therefore Section 46.02 (a) DOES NOT APPLY TO THE BEARING OF ARMS IN LAWFUL DEFENSE. Section 46.035(a) [failure by CHL holder to conceal handgun] DOES NOT APPLY TO THE BEARING OF ARMS IN LAWFUL DEFENSE.

Those provisions of Texas law address CRIMINAL PURPOSE & INTENT.

Before the sputtering, and stammering begins - ponder for just a moment this question - WHICH LAW is supreme-the Texas Constitution, or the Penal Code. If there is any conflict between the two - which trumps ?

If you standby and allow any public servant to effectively deny your constitutionally declared rights - YOU are the ONE RELINQUISHING THOSE RIGHTS.

Free people do not seek the permission of their respective governments to exercise rights that they already have, and have been LEGALLY declared to be INVIOLATE and EXCEPTED FROM THE POWERS OF STATE GOVERNMENT.

I know - Yeah, BUT - Yeah, BUT...... suit yourselves folks.

You are going to have to reclaim those confiscated rights - by ASSERTING THEM, and being prepared to defend them in a courtroom if need be.
____________________________

www.lonestarcdl.org is about reclamation of confiscated rights, and we are fixin' to get busy.

It is time for every citizen who cherished the right to bear arms to "FIRE A SHOT ACROSS THE BOW" of their corrupt legislators, Governor, and judges. None of them will voluntarily restore YOUR RIGHTS.

YOU WILL HAVE TO RECLAIM THEM - OR gradually loose them completely.

Yep - we just need a volunteer with deep pockets to step forward and carry this through the courts. :uhoh:

Absenting that perhaps the legislative process makes a lot of sense.
 
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