Texas attorney general indicted on felony charges

[FTG-05]

Maybe you should reread what I have been saying. At no point did I say this person was "guilty until proven innocent". I said that until such time as he is cleared of all charges in one form or another, he should not be representing the state as it's attorney general. If that means he is removed from office on a temporary basis (and the next person in line steps up to take his place) till this issue is resolved, then fine.

Uh Ok, let's try this the simple way:

That's pretty much the definition of "guilty until proven innocent".

Of course, the good news is that there are others that have provided the legal definition so we don't have to start from ground central. Which has apparently passed you by.

No offense.

 

[skidmark]

The Bar in most states is the body who decides if a person will have their license to practice law suspended -- not the courts.

A conviction in court should NOT be required to jettison an immoral attorney from the Bar Association.

Even the Bar Association has a procedure they are required to follow. That procedure includes an adversarial hearing with the presentation of evidence and the cross-examination of witnesses. The "usual" procedure is to wait and see if there is a criminal conviction because that makes the disbarment procedure straightforward.

Additionally, while the internal events of a disbarment hearing are private, the result is not. The defendant in a criminal trial is either put at a disadvantage if disbarred prior to trial (the prosecutor will beat that drum like a rented mule)or at an advantage if not disbarred (the defense will dance all over the fact that the defendant's fellow attorneys (who know the law better than the jury) decided there was no guilt).

But what the heck, you want to prejudice the outcome of a criminal trial because feelings.

stay safe.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Uh Ok, let's try this the simple way:

That's pretty much the definition of "guilty until proven innocent".

Of course, the good news is that there are others that have provided the legal definition so we don't have to start from ground central. Which has apparently passed you by.

No offense.

Yet they have no qualms about acting this way toward the mundanes.

Get charged with something, no guns, no seeing kids, no driving, no no no until the trial.

Some animals are more equal.

 

[Dave_pro2a]

Even the Bar Association has a procedure they are required to follow. That procedure includes an adversarial hearing with the presentation of evidence and the cross-examination of witnesses. The "usual" procedure is to wait and see if there is a criminal conviction because that makes the disbarment procedure straightforward.

Additionally, while the internal events of a disbarment hearing are private, the result is not. The defendant in a criminal trial is either put at a disadvantage if disbarred prior to trial (the prosecutor will beat that drum like a rented mule)or at an advantage if not disbarred (the defense will dance all over the fact that the defendant's fellow attorneys (who know the law better than the jury) decided there was no guilt).

But what the heck, you want to prejudice the outcome of a criminal trial because feelings.

stay safe.

Translation: Rats protect their own.

 

[skidmark]

Translation: Rats protect their own.

Do you know they have a word for people who lump all members of a group together and ascribe negative traits to that group?

stay safe.

 

[Grapeshot]

Translation: Rats protect their own.

Actually, I've heard they will eat their own.

 

[Grim_Night]

Yet they have no qualms about acting this way toward the mundanes.

Get charged with something, no guns, no seeing kids, no driving, no no no until the trial.

Some animals are more equal.

At least someone gets what I'm trying to say here.

 

[Grapeshot]

Yet they have no qualms about acting this way toward the mundanes.

Get charged with something, no guns, no seeing kids, no driving, no no no until the trial.

Some animals are more equal.

At least someone gets what I'm trying to say here.

Oh we get it. The innocent should be hanged with the guilty until cleared - no exceptions.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Oh we get it. The innocent should be hanged with the guilty until cleared - no exceptions.

I hope that is sarcasm. That wasn't my point at all.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

Do you know they have a word for people who lump all members of a group together and ascribe negative traits to that group?

stay safe.

So there are good KKK?

 

[skidmark]

So there are good KKK?

Yes, actually. A bad bit of advertizing (Brit spelling) but Krispy Kreme Kids clubs on both sides of the pond.

http://www.kcra.com/news/krispy-kreme-apologizes-for-kkk-kids-club-promotion/31347606

stay safe.

 

[Freedom1Man]

Oh we get it. The innocent should be hanged with the guilty until cleared - no exceptions.

/sarcasm (?)

That was not what I understood from his posting.



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[sudden valley gunner]

Yes, actually. A bad bit of advertizing (Brit spelling) but Krispy Kreme Kids clubs on both sides of the pond.

http://www.kcra.com/news/krispy-kreme-apologizes-for-kkk-kids-club-promotion/31347606

stay safe.

Amusing. Yet I'm sure you get the point.

No good Klu Klux Klan member.

I'd say as long as you sign up to enforce bad laws you aren't a good public agent.

Agents who go along to get along are part of the problem.

 

[OC for ME]

Securities fraud...pfft!

What, no morality clause, or moral high ground and resigning anyway, for elected officials in Texas? MO political critters is no moral paragons to be sure.

SVG called dead on right.

 

[HPmatt]

So there are good KKK?

KKK in Texas were the democrats.

This is a charge for an issue - registering re: raising $ for investments - that ALL lawyers in TX fix by filing some paperwork. It is never litigated, unless you are a democrat activist that has cooked up some 'gotcha' - probably using George Soros' money.

Let this one cook and see where the dirty politics really goes.


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[stealthyeliminator]

There is no end to the length of that dog's tail.

When a police officer does something apparently wrong and is placed on administrative leave during investigation, many here will cry that it isn't enough, long before any criminal trials take place. Why now would we turn the opposite direction and say that even something like administrative leave prior conviction is wrong, and further that such a thought is dangerous because there's no hard set end?

 

[JoeSparky]

When a police officer does something apparently wrong and is placed on administrative leave during investigation, many here will cry that it isn't enough, long before any criminal trials take place. Why now would we turn the opposite direction and say that even something like administrative leave prior conviction is wrong, and further that such a thought is dangerous because there's no hard set end?

Administrative leave as you've described would be an employee employer action which many times would be with pay. This is not an equivalence of removing one from elected office simply for an indictment.
To remove an elected official from office not only penalizes the official without due process but also penalizes rights of representation of those who elected that person to that office.
We either ALL have rights or none of us have them!

 

[stealthyeliminator]

Administrative leave as you've described would be an employee employer action which many times would be with pay. This is not an equivalence of removing one from elected office simply for an indictment.
To remove an elected official from office not only penalizes the official without due process but also penalizes rights of representation of those who elected that person to that office.
We either ALL have rights or none of us have them!

Sure, it is different... That doesn't mean there could not be made an equivalence.

Since the gov and most of its "authority" and procedures and rules and what-not are pretty much made up out of thin air anyways, it shouldn't be too difficult, even.

But, I leave this conversation. Have fun all.

 

[HPmatt]

Some more info on dirty politics - good old Dem-RINO Austin coalition wants to get hardcore Paxton from cleaning things up.

Info on Paxton not informing potential investors in a company - investors were weasel of State Rep Cook from Corsicana and his long-time:
http://www.empowertexans.com/featur...assment-to-the-texas-criminal-justice-system/

Joe Straus - liberal Texas RINO speaker of the House involvement:
http://www.empowertexans.com/features/straus-leadership-team-behind-paxton-indictments/

Usual suspects in Austin trying to keep their thievery under wraps and among friends.

 

[beebobby]

For an elected official, to be found innocent in the legal system won't carry the weight of having been found guilty in the court of public opinion.