PQ36
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(d) Except as provided in sub. (4) (a), (bg), (cg), (e), and (g), no person may discharge a firearm or shoot a bolt or an arrow from a bow or crossbow from or across a highway or within 50 feet of the center of a roadway. ...........(dot dot dot)
Unless you are a "cop". Was just chatting in lunchroom at work about things like this, how Joe Leo took umpteen pot shots at dear, to no avail, and my co-worker had to, in disgust, take care of the suffering critter, much to the consternation and chagrin and wounded pride of Joe LEO.
I agree 100%. The last two bogus speeding tickets taught me about fighting nonsense like this. Most recent experience cost me a few hundred bucks in order to gain many thousands of dollars worth of experience (rough estimate!) of how the illegal system works. While also costing them tons (and I mean tons) of time and frustration and money (that taxpayers should perk up to) in order to cram it down my throat.
POINT BEING: Fight that citation!! Take it to the limit. Make them HAVE TO work for it. The "cop" could have simply thanked you for your help, and be done with the whole thing.
Exactly. What you did was, considered by the system, was mala prohibita, not mala in se. Study up on Jury Nullification, even if only for future reference in the event you get the chance to serve as a juror. WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY too many of us (citizens at large) don't even remember this being covered in govt. school,..... because it wasn't!
You have intent (to do good) on your side, as well as the act35 language (thankfully) regarding discharge of weapon. Fight it, fight it fight it.
Grrrrr, have to rub it in, dontcha? We'll deal with you later my friend! <just teasing>
you learned the hard way
Tyranny is, in fact, the hard way, I'll give you that.
one you should have known.
Our society has literally lost track of the literally countless number of "laws" on the books. I sure can't avail myself of EVERY one of them (or half, or quarter, or......) Remember, out with common law, in with statutory 100%, crank up the mala prohibita, join the collective, etc etc. Aint life grand?
put their hands in their pockets
This is how we got where we are today, by putting our hands in our pockets (most) every time we should have taken a stand for the right thing to do.
intervening in a situation
Yes, we should intervene in the situation that is our demise and loss of God given liberties (albeit contingent on restraint of self to be able to enjoy). Intervene by fighting this citation.
to help.
And by intervening to fight this citation, it will help!
rake you over the coals
We get raked over all the coals that we allow ourselves to be raked over, by omission or commission,... intervene by fighting error.
I do not blame the police
Sooooo....... I can blame "my superiors" and do whatever I want? Cool. Not. If I tried that as a defense in court, they would laugh me all the way to jail. I do blame the [fill in the blank] individual who made his/her choice, as an individual, for the consequences of said choice. "cops" took an oath to uphold the constitution and are not held to enforce bogus "laws". In reality, that happens all too frequently, but frequency does not equal validity.
No good deed will go unpunished here in the Dairy State.
IF ONLY it were limited to the border/confines of WI !! That would be way too easy Hey, maybe we can export/limit tyranny to Illinois? As in "last one to rid themselves of CCW prohibitions is a rotten egg" (Oh, wait, didn't I hear something about 57 states now?)
FIGHT THE CITATION.
Sounds like the Obamalinsky model of redistribution of venison!:uhoh:
I like this guy ^ , he is speaking my language!
Probably just the usual prima facie made up on the spot ad nauseum kind of exception.:banghead:
Bottom line (literally):
Fight the whole thing, as far as you can take it. They HATE IT when they have to do so. The more citizens stand up for themselves, the less they will violate us. It takes effort, time, and yes, some moo-laa, but can be done pro-se, and be effective nonetheless in achieving the push-back effect that the just hate.
Unless you are a "cop". Was just chatting in lunchroom at work about things like this, how Joe Leo took umpteen pot shots at dear, to no avail, and my co-worker had to, in disgust, take care of the suffering critter, much to the consternation and chagrin and wounded pride of Joe LEO.
BROKEN SPROCKET:
I would plead not guilty, let it go to pretrial. I will bet that the DA will drop it in the pretrial conference. If not, and you want to fight it on prinicipal, go for it. If you can afford it. At what point you 'lawyer up' is up to you. It has to be on principle, because the lawyer will cost more than the ticket.
I agree 100%. The last two bogus speeding tickets taught me about fighting nonsense like this. Most recent experience cost me a few hundred bucks in order to gain many thousands of dollars worth of experience (rough estimate!) of how the illegal system works. While also costing them tons (and I mean tons) of time and frustration and money (that taxpayers should perk up to) in order to cram it down my throat.
POINT BEING: Fight that citation!! Take it to the limit. Make them HAVE TO work for it. The "cop" could have simply thanked you for your help, and be done with the whole thing.
MKEgal:
I think you absolutely did the morally right thing,
and I can't imagine any prosecutor or judge trying to argue that preventing suffering isn't justified, so it's probably even legally OK.
Exactly. What you did was, considered by the system, was mala prohibita, not mala in se. Study up on Jury Nullification, even if only for future reference in the event you get the chance to serve as a juror. WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY too many of us (citizens at large) don't even remember this being covered in govt. school,..... because it wasn't!
You have intent (to do good) on your side, as well as the act35 language (thankfully) regarding discharge of weapon. Fight it, fight it fight it.
BrassMagnet:
ETA: BTW, I'm sitting in my deer stand right now...haha.
Grrrrr, have to rub it in, dontcha? We'll deal with you later my friend! <just teasing>
Old Grump:
Sorry again you learned the hard way but that is Wisconsin law and one you should have known. Now you know why a large number of people turn away and put their hands in their pockets instead of intervening in a situation where they might have been able to help. The authorities who cannot be everywhere at once and have no constitutional obligation to be your personal body guard are going to rake you over the coals for doing what they should have. I do not blame the police for this, blame their bosses and the petty tyrants in office who think they are rulers instead of our representatives. No good deed will go unpunished here in the Dairy State.
you learned the hard way
Tyranny is, in fact, the hard way, I'll give you that.
one you should have known.
Our society has literally lost track of the literally countless number of "laws" on the books. I sure can't avail myself of EVERY one of them (or half, or quarter, or......) Remember, out with common law, in with statutory 100%, crank up the mala prohibita, join the collective, etc etc. Aint life grand?
put their hands in their pockets
This is how we got where we are today, by putting our hands in our pockets (most) every time we should have taken a stand for the right thing to do.
intervening in a situation
Yes, we should intervene in the situation that is our demise and loss of God given liberties (albeit contingent on restraint of self to be able to enjoy). Intervene by fighting this citation.
to help.
And by intervening to fight this citation, it will help!
rake you over the coals
We get raked over all the coals that we allow ourselves to be raked over, by omission or commission,... intervene by fighting error.
I do not blame the police
Sooooo....... I can blame "my superiors" and do whatever I want? Cool. Not. If I tried that as a defense in court, they would laugh me all the way to jail. I do blame the [fill in the blank] individual who made his/her choice, as an individual, for the consequences of said choice. "cops" took an oath to uphold the constitution and are not held to enforce bogus "laws". In reality, that happens all too frequently, but frequency does not equal validity.
No good deed will go unpunished here in the Dairy State.
IF ONLY it were limited to the border/confines of WI !! That would be way too easy Hey, maybe we can export/limit tyranny to Illinois? As in "last one to rid themselves of CCW prohibitions is a rotten egg" (Oh, wait, didn't I hear something about 57 states now?)
FIGHT THE CITATION.
Lord Sega:
At least you got to keep the meat, in Oregon the meat is taken by the state and if usable (clean) it is donated to the needy (ie soup kitchens).
While that is a noble and worthwhile cause for the meat, if I take $2000 in car damage I want some steaks out of the deal.
Sounds like the Obamalinsky model of redistribution of venison!:uhoh:
Nutczak:
Fight, Fight Fight Fight, Fight Fight Fight, Fight Fight Fight, Fight Fight
Fight that ticket! The DA probably wont even look at the charges until you are both in court together. This is very winnable.
So, you could have legally slit the deers throat and let it bleed out, but you cannot shoot it to keep it from endangering others.
Fight this to the very end. I know you may not think a $100.00 fine is worth the effort, but this is both a matter of principal, and this may also come back and bite you in the a$$ if not dropped, dismissed, or you are found not guilty.
I like this guy ^ , he is speaking my language!
GlockRDH:
anyone know...does 167.31 have an exception for LEOs?
Probably just the usual prima facie made up on the spot ad nauseum kind of exception.:banghead:
Bottom line (literally):
Fight the whole thing, as far as you can take it. They HATE IT when they have to do so. The more citizens stand up for themselves, the less they will violate us. It takes effort, time, and yes, some moo-laa, but can be done pro-se, and be effective nonetheless in achieving the push-back effect that the just hate.