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Sigh - PVC with Sacha Baron Cohen

FBrinson

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Yes, I have. Again I apologize for my age, and not give a darn attitude about nothing burgers.
VCDL losing members is not what i would call a "nothing burger". This will damage VCDL and the folks in VA could pay a dear price. Just my opinion.
 

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VCDL losing members is not what i would call a "nothing burger". This will damage VCDL and the folks in VA could pay a dear price. Just my opinion.

I have no control over people who are duped, and I am not talking about PVC. As far as the video it is a nothing burger, you may feel differently, your choice to get upset.
 
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Oh, Please!

Way back in the 1990's I sent a letter to the editor of the Roanoke Times. An uber liberal newspaper. I forget the exact topic but I DO REMEMBER what they did to my letter. They "edited" it, using only the words I wrote, to make it so I was saying the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I was actually saying.

The SCOTUS decision in the Hustler vs. Falwell case does not apply here if Cohen used creative editing to make PVC say something he was not. If you listen to what PVC says, he's not exactly agreeing with Cohen. I really wonder if there's a lawsuit here like the one with ABC and Couric.

Do you really believe PVC would do or say something like this??? Or is this a case of very selective editing?? Why would PVC do such a thing? Could it be that Cohen misrepresented himself and what he was going to do with the video? Perhaps presenting a context to PVC that was NOT what he intended to do with the video?

I don't know. I do trust PVC much more than I do Cohen. I've never watched any of his movies, because I don't like people making fun of others that do not deserve being made fun of.

Just in case no one remembers the Couric debacle:

https://wtvr.com/2016/09/13/vcdl-sues-katie-couric/
 
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What did PVC expect before he agreed to work with SBC/Showtime? A fair shake? We know what he got.

Sometimes we fail to learn from history.

If you're gonna be stupid you gotta be tough - John Grisham

VCDL is a political organization first and a gun rights organization second.
 

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What did PVC expect before he agreed to work with SBC/Showtime? A fair shake? We know what he got.

Sometimes we fail to learn from history.



VCDL is a political organization first and a gun rights organization second.

PVC expected the same as the NRA does when they accept interviews. I do not agree with all the NRA agenda, but Colion Noir has been pivotal in education especially blacks. He has taken considerable heat by the extreme left trying to take his words, and ideals out of context. And yea he gets attacked by pretend second amendment supporters. He is one of my favorite video celebrities. The video is only controversial in the attitudes of the left, including some social justice gun owners.
 

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PVC expected the same as the NRA does when they accept interviews. I do not agree with all the NRA agenda, but Colion Noir has been pivotal in education especially blacks. He has taken considerable heat by the extreme left trying to take his words, and ideals out of context. And yea he gets attacked by pretend second amendment supporters. He is one of my favorite video celebrities. The video is only controversial in the attitudes of the left, including some social justice gun owners.
Really...I wounder if the NRA was contacted by the SBC show staff.

I am confident that the NRA, nor Colion Noir, would agree to do the SBC show.
 

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Really...I wounder if the NRA was contacted by the SBC show staff.

I am confident that the NRA, nor Colion Noir, would agree to do the SBC show.

CN was on Bill Maher show this year, most of us know how leftist BM is. While BM did not attack CN his guests did. Several times CN has done videos where he has been attacked more vigorously than PVC. But then I don't care because unless I personally find their views offending I don't give damn what anybody else thinks. I do not find the premise of children playing with toy guns to learn basics knowledge that may some day save their lives offensive. What I do find offensive is gun people completely lacking the ability to see that starting children at an early in the past did not result in violence. Social activism clearly has though, I choose not to be a tool for insane left.
 

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CN was on Bill Maher show this year, most of us know how leftist BM is. While BM did not attack CN his guests did. Several times CN has done videos where he has been attacked more vigorously than PVC. But then I don't care because unless I personally find their views offending I don't give damn what anybody else thinks. I do not find the premise of children playing with toy guns to learn basics knowledge that may some day save their lives offensive. What I do find offensive is gun people completely lacking the ability to see that starting children at an early in the past did not result in violence. Social activism clearly has though, I choose not to be a tool for insane left.
My question is whether or not the NRA or CN would do SBC's show.

100% agree with train your youngsters as early as possible. Had my boys shooting red rider bb guns as soon as they could hold it up to their shoulder. As they grew, the gun grew in size and caliber. I did not need to learn this fact of life from SBC's show, nor would I turn to any such a show to gain valuable firearm instruction techniques...nor will my sons...and, if I have any say on the matter, nor will my grand critters.
 

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My question is whether or not the NRA or CN would do SBC's show.

100% agree with train your youngsters as early as possible. Had my boys shooting red rider bb guns as soon as they could hold it up to their shoulder. As they grew, the gun grew in size and caliber. I did not need to learn this fact of life from SBC's show, nor would I turn to any such a show to gain valuable firearm instruction techniques...nor will my sons...and, if I have any say on the matter, nor will my grand critters.

I have no idea, BUT CN did do a show with a known leftist hit man. It appears that you want us to hide in the closet from this latest post. What you need has nothing to do with it, it was not your choice, and is not mine. Frankly I miss the age of the Norman Rockwell paintings, watching the Rifleman, Rawhide, crime dramas, as well Ohhh MY GOD cartoons with firearms. I have not bought into hiding in the closet gun culture. I have absolutely no use for political correctness.

[video=youtube;WjNmoUeK54Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjNmoUeK54Y[/video]
 
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I have no idea, BUT CN did do a show with a known leftist hit man. It appears that you want us to hide in the closet from this latest post. What you need has nothing to do with it, it was not your choice, and is not mine. Frankly I miss the age of the Norman Rockwell paintings, watching the Rifleman, Rawhide, crime dramas, as well Ohhh MY GOD cartoons with firearms. I have not bought into hiding in the closet gun culture. I have absolutely no use for political correctness. ...
I did some searching, and by no means a exhaustive search, CN nor the NRA have conducted a interview comparable to PVC's interview.

I would never consider using a "Gunimal", or other such stunts, to teach firearm safety and operation to young children. Firearms are not toys, nor should they ever be portrayed as a toy, especially to young children. PVC thought otherwise.
For better or for worse, I decided that I would play along with the scheme so I could find out who was behind this and where this was going. - Email from Philip Van Cleave of the Virgnia[sic] Citizens Defense League, February 20, 2018

No "Gunimals" at these educational events, even if for comedic purposes.
I'd like to bring my son or daughter, how old do kids need to be to come to an event?

If your child is old enough to safely handle a rifle by himself/herself and endure a long day of instruction, he/she is welcome to attend. A Project Appleseed event can be a great bonding experience for the whole family but be aware that some states require that a child is a certain age to handle a rifle. Other restrictions may apply.

https://appleseedinfo.org/faq/

Not a Jane Austin fan, but this quote does seem to be relevant here.
"You may well warn me against such an evil. Human nature is so prone to fall into it! ...I am not afraid of being overpowered by the impression. It will pass away soon enough." - Pride and Prejudice (Vol. III, Ch. 6), Jane Austen, published in 1813
This issue will be addressed by VCDL and PVC as they please.

I am not sure of your meaning regarding hiding in the closet. OCing every day is not, in my view, hiding in the closet, if that is what you are referring to.
 

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CN was on Bill Maher show this year, most of us know how leftist BM is. While BM did not attack CN his guests did. Several times CN has done videos where he has been attacked more vigorously than PVC. But then I don't care because unless I personally find their views offending I don't give damn what anybody else thinks. I do not find the premise of children playing with toy guns to learn basics knowledge that may some day save their lives offensive. What I do find offensive is gun people completely lacking the ability to see that starting children at an early in the past did not result in violence. Social activism clearly has though, I choose not to be a tool for insane left.

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I have to ask... all you VA residents complaining and calling for PVC to resign/be fired are you willing to step up and be heard/seen?
ie... do more than you have done or are doing now?
 

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I have to ask... all you VA residents complaining and calling for PVC to resign/be fired are you willing to step up and be heard/seen?
ie... do more than you have done or are doing now?
Great...another gun guy advocating that kids be taught the guns are fluffy fuzzy cute toys like "Gunny Bunny", instead of the potentially dangerous tools that they are, as Project Appleseed does.

Norris Sweidan...smarter than your average gun closet culture member.
 

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I have to ask... all you VA residents complaining and calling for PVC to resign/be fired are you willing to step up and be heard/seen?
ie... do more than you have done or are doing now?

I’m not, but I bet Dennis O’Conner or Ed Levine could. Ed Levine is smart as a whip and I’m confident he wouldn’t fall for the okie doke. Quietly put PVC as an EM, but no more media duty or camera duty for him. That’s just one former member’s opinion.
 
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Great...another gun guy advocating that kids be taught the guns are fluffy fuzzy cute toys like "Gunny Bunny", instead of the potentially dangerous tools that they are, as Project Appleseed does.

Norris Sweidan...smarter than your average gun closet culture member.

Toy tools have been around a long time, even when the media consisted of just ink on paper. I am sure that by the time children handle ACTUAL firearms they would not seen as toys. I know this for a fact in my youth, there was a difference between the plastic buck rogers ray squirt gun, and real guns. Also in that age there was MUCH less incidents of children NG's. I saw no need to play with my fathers firearms, I had toys that I could have fun with, neighbor hood squirt gun fights were common in my youth. But then in the late fifties, and sixties there were not as many SJW's as there is today.

I suppose you find this offensive also?

[video=youtube;YRDel5Q1PBA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDel5Q1PBA[/video]
 
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Toy tools have been around a long time, even when the media consisted of just ink on paper. I am sure that by the time children handle ACTUAL firearms they would not seen as toys. I know this for a fact in my youth, there was a difference between the plastic buck rogers ray squirt gun, and real guns. Also in that age there was MUCH less incidents of children NG's. I saw no need to play with my fathers firearms, I had toys that I could have fun with, neighbor hood squirt gun fights were common in my youth. But then in the late fifties, and sixties there were not as many SJW's as there is today.

I suppose you find this offensive also?

[video=youtube;YRDel5Q1PBA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDel5Q1PBA[/video]
If PVC had used a Red Ryder BB gun, or the Mattel Agent Zero Radio and Gun vs. Gunny Bunny you might have a point. But PVC did not use the a fore mentioned toy guns he used Gunny Bunny.

I did use a toy gun to train my kids, a 1938 Red Ryder BB gun, not nearly as scary as the Mattel Agent Zero Radio and Gun.
 

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Great...another gun guy advocating that kids be taught the guns are fluffy fuzzy cute toys like "Gunny Bunny", instead of the potentially dangerous tools that they are, as Project Appleseed does.

Norris Sweidan...smarter than your average gun closet culture member.

Nice try trying to put words in my mouth.. never stated ^ what is bolded..

I'll tell my 4 kids and my now adult niece and nephew all the training we did with "nerf" and "airsoft" to get them ready to handle "real" firearms was a waste of time.

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Never did I say to step up more within VCDL, as you resigned.
There are other groups supporting 2A, do more there?
 

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I have to ask... all you VA residents complaining and calling for PVC to resign/be fired are you willing to step up and be heard/seen?
ie... do more than you have done or are doing now?

Nice try trying to put words in my mouth.. never stated ^ what is bolded..

I'll tell my 4 kids and my now adult niece and nephew all the training we did with "nerf" and "airsoft" to get them ready to handle "real" firearms was a waste of time.

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Never did I say to step up more within VCDL, as you resigned.
There are other groups supporting 2A, do more there?
+1 the bold.

I did not state that you said any such thing. I stated that you advocate that kids be taught firearm safety using toys...before you posted the above. I respectfully retract my comment.

A Red Ryder BB gun is not a waste of time for four or five year old depending on their size. Not nearly the lethal consequences of a real firearm, but mistakes and lapses in good judgement could be painful and memorable. Diligent adult supervision is the key to success...even with a BB gun.

Worked on me...except the supervision part... I snuck out wit the BB gun. I remember playing army with my buddies and me getting shot in the arm. My Mama used a Exacto knife to dig out the bb...learnt my lesson that day at almost six years old.
 
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