civilwarguy
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does a 1911 with shot shells count?? just had to ask
Speaking of, here's the Box O' Truth bottom line on birdshot: "Unless you expect to be attacked by little birds, do not use birdshot." He said his tests show birdshot went through two sheets of drywall, (one wall), and stopped at the third piece of drywall. People want to put their faith in that against a nutjob who wants to hurt or kill you and your family? Birdshot sucks.Birdshot most certainly, WILL go through walls. Don't be under the illusion you can't have blow-through and hurt bystanders. (There is a blog called "box o truth" out there that has a bunch of nigh-empirical tests on video if your are curious.)
does a 1911 with shot shells count?? just had to ask
I'll concede that, but my point was that the spread from birdshot is gonig to be a bit bigger than buckshot
Oh and my Pellet rifle beside the front door~
Birdshot most certainly, WILL go through walls. Don't be under the illusion you can't have blow-through and hurt bystanders. (There is a blog called "box o truth" out there that has a bunch of nigh-empirical tests on video if your are curious.)
Birdshot as a Defense Load
I have had a lot of questions, summed up as follows: How effective is birdshot (#4, #6, #8, etc.) as a defense load?
We have done tests with various birdshot loads. Birdshot penetrated through two pieces of drywall (representing one wall) and was stopped in the paper on the front of the second wall. The problem with birdshot is that it does not penetrate enough to be effective as a defense round. Birdshot is designed to bring down little birds.
#1 Buck contains 16 pellets which present 1.13" of combined surface contact while still providing adequate penetration.
#00 Buck contains 9 pellets which present .77" of combined surface area.
The conclusion is drawn that #00 Buck gains in penetration at the expense of surface area, but that it is actually an overpenetrator.
If it is true that #1 Buck offers sufficient penetration for the user's comfort, the increased surface area is indeed a plus. Discarding the temporary wound cavity argument, we might assume, as the article suggests, that "the #1 buck shotshell has the capacity to produce over 30 percent more potentially effective wound trauma".
Slugs
Seriously though, studies show that 00 buck is actually not as good as #1 buckshot
Birdshot most certainly, WILL go through walls. Don't be under the illusion you can't have blow-through and hurt bystanders. (There is a blog called "box o truth" out there that has a bunch of nigh-empirical tests on video if your are curious.) That said, just about any gun that's bigger than an air rifle will go through standard apartment walls, just be damn sure you are ready to shoot, and try to think about the "lower risk" angles beforehand. Point blank is good. (14 inches of meat to pass through first slows stuff down.)
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I have a Mossberg 590 fully loaded one in the chamber, full side saddle and fixed bayonet next to my bed. (No kids, if the cats kill themselves with it, so be it.) The bayonet sheath is on as is the safety. I don't "put it away."
In the closet, I have a 20 gauge bird gun and a couple of loose rounds.
In the study, another 20 gauge bird gun and a couple of loose rounds. Along with an A-5 (semi-12 gauge bird gun) clone and a few rounds for it.
Pistol (again, loaded one in the chamber) with extra mags in the desk in the study.
My tomahawk and a knife collection are in the under the couch drawer in the living room, I figure I should retreat if I was there anyway so that's not really home defense stuff.
Most of the time (unless my pants are off) there is a Kershaw in my pocket.
I do want to replace the 590 with a pistol-grip 500, but am looking or a different safety. Having it up on the edge like that makes me nervous.