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Response from Intercity Transit

sv_libertarian

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Gotta chew some on my reply


I apologize for the incident. The security personnel involved was new and did not fully understand the rules and policies regarding open carry of firearms. We have provided instructions to this person and are reminding our supervisory and other personnel of the rules.
I hope you will use discretion in openly carrying a gun. It is certainly your right to do so but I also hope you recognize it can cause alarm, particularly in a public gathering space. We will do our best to follow the law regarding this issue.

Mike Harbour
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NavyLT wrote:
You can inform him that causing alarm is not illegal or any fault of yours. The Washington Supreme Court has ruled that carrying a firearm in a holster does not WARRANT alarm in reasonable people, therefore, those that it causes alarm in, according to the Supreme Court are unreasonable.
The guy in Vancouver that is going to court of warranting alarm probably wishes the washington supreme court rulings applied there too.
 

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amzbrady wrote:
NavyLT wrote:
You can inform him that causing alarm is not illegal or any fault of yours. The Washington Supreme Court has ruled that carrying a firearm in a holster does not WARRANT alarm in reasonable people, therefore, those that it causes alarm in, according to the Supreme Court are unreasonable.
The guy in Vancouver that is going to court of warranting alarm probably wishes the washington supreme court rulings applied there too.
Ok, you just confused me. Why would a ruling by the WA State Supreme Court not apply in Vancouver, WA?

Or are you thinking it is Vancouver, BC? In Canada, iirc, they can't carry, period.
 

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WCrawford wrote:
amzbrady wrote:
NavyLT wrote:
You can inform him that causing alarm is not illegal or any fault of yours. The Washington Supreme Court has ruled that carrying a firearm in a holster does not WARRANT alarm in reasonable people, therefore, those that it causes alarm in, according to the Supreme Court are unreasonable.
The guy in Vancouver that is going to court of warranting alarm probably wishes the washington supreme court rulings applied there too.
Ok, you just confused me. Why would a ruling by the WA State Supreme Court not apply in Vancouver, WA?

Or are you thinking it is Vancouver, BC? In Canada, iirc, they can't carry, period.
No, the guy that got busted at Albertsons for open carry, the cops said someone said he warranted alarm. I was just commenting on the irony how he got busted by a Washington agency (police) and will now have to go to courtfor having a firearm in a holster when it has been established in a court that what he did is not illegal.
 

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amzbrady wrote:
WCrawford wrote:
amzbrady wrote:
NavyLT wrote:
You can inform him that causing alarm is not illegal or any fault of yours. The Washington Supreme Court has ruled that carrying a firearm in a holster does not WARRANT alarm in reasonable people, therefore, those that it causes alarm in, according to the Supreme Court are unreasonable.
The guy in Vancouver that is going to court of warranting alarm probably wishes the washington supreme court rulings applied there too.
Ok, you just confused me. Why would a ruling by the WA State Supreme Court not apply in Vancouver, WA?

Or are you thinking it is Vancouver, BC? In Canada, iirc, they can't carry, period.
No, the guy that got busted at Albertsons for open carry, the cops said someone said he warranted alarm. I was just commenting on the irony how he got busted by a Washington agency (police) and will now have to go to courtfor having a firearm in a holster when it has been established in a court that what he did is not illegal.
Not in a citable opinion though.
 

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Tawnos wrote:
amzbrady wrote:
WCrawford wrote:
amzbrady wrote:
NavyLT wrote:
You can inform him that causing alarm is not illegal or any fault of yours. The Washington Supreme Court has ruled that carrying a firearm in a holster does not WARRANT alarm in reasonable people, therefore, those that it causes alarm in, according to the Supreme Court are unreasonable.
The guy in Vancouver that is going to court of warranting alarm probably wishes the washington supreme court rulings applied there too.
Ok, you just confused me. Why would a ruling by the WA State Supreme Court not apply in Vancouver, WA?

Or are you thinking it is Vancouver, BC? In Canada, iirc, they can't carry, period.
No, the guy that got busted at Albertsons for open carry, the cops said someone said he warranted alarm. I was just commenting on the irony how he got busted by a Washington agency (police) and will now have to go to courtfor having a firearm in a holster when it has been established in a court that what he did is not illegal.
Not in a citable opinion though.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum55/19970-26.html
 

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I guess some people would say (not me) that two people of the same sex kissing in public could warrent alarm of familes, but I doubt he would tell them to use discretion. IMHO
 

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glock23 wrote:
I guess some people would say (not me) that two people of the same sex kissing in public could warrent alarm of familes, but I doubt he would tell them to use discretion. IMHO

Perfect! My brain is foggy today,That's just the retort I was looking for. And it will play well in progressive Olympia :D
 

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NavyLT wrote:
You can inform him that causing alarm is not illegal or any fault of yours.  The Washington Supreme Court has ruled that carrying a firearm in a holster does not WARRANT alarm in reasonable people, therefore, those that it causes alarm in, according to the Supreme Court are unreasonable.
Division 2 Appellate Court made the ruling.
 

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Here is my reply

Thank you for your reply.

I'm sure you understand (or that your lawyers do) that someone feeling alarmed simply isn't legal cause to do anything. In this big world of ours, there are many things that make many people feel alarmed, but are perfectly legal. I have met bigots who would feel alarmed simply by seeing several black people on a bus, and sadly I've met bigoted people who fear the presence of an inanimate object as well.

As we both know, the law is on my side, as much as it is for persons of color to freely ride the bus, for homosexual couples to hold hands or kiss on the bus, or for people in wheelchairs to get priority seating. Just as you would not tell an african american to use discretion as to where they sit on a bus, I expect you would not tell any other law abiding passenger to use discretion when engaging in lawful activities.

As I mentioned, had my bus not been subject to delay due to mechanical difficulties, I would have been most annoyed. Instead I'm content with being somewhat annoyed as I was not inconvenienced beyond waiting for a bus I would have had to wait for anyway. In matters of civil rights, there is no trying to follow the law; there is simply following the law.

I trust that in the future, IT will use better discretion in removing passengers from vehicles, and will consider the alarm and stress such unfortunate passengers may feel for being singled out for no legitimate reason. I would appreciate written assurances on IT letterhead regarding the training and steps taken to prevent this sort of thing from happening again.

Thank you again for your time.
 

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joeroket wrote:
NavyLT wrote:
You can inform him that causing alarm is not illegal or any fault of yours. The Washington Supreme Court has ruled that carrying a firearm in a holster does not WARRANT alarm in reasonable people, therefore, those that it causes alarm in, according to the Supreme Court are unreasonable.
Division 2 Appellate Court made the ruling.
Not Casad? Cite plz?
 

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glock23 wrote:
I guess some people would say (not me) that two people of the same sex kissing in public could warrent alarm of familes, but I doubt he would tell them to use discretion. IMHO
+1

Hey you stole my idea:p I've been keeping that one to use against some anti who gets on my case too (but they never seem to). Perfect parallel like SV said, I personally don't approve of such behavior, I'd rather they didn't do it, but I would not disrespect anyone's right to do so, and the only way social stigmas on such things have waned is because people exercised their right to do so.
 

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NavyLT wrote:
You can inform him that causing alarm is not illegal or any fault of yours. The Washington Supreme Court has ruled that carrying a firearm in a holster does not WARRANT alarm in reasonable people, therefore, those that it causes alarm in, according to the Supreme Court are unreasonable.
Cite please. Where can I find this information? I know someone who was erroneously told by a Seattle LEO that if someone becomes alarmed by OC that the OCer can be detained, arrested, asked to cover it up, etc. I would like to print this out for this person and put an end to the argument. Thanks!
 

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It's a simple matter of the wording of RCW 9.41.270

"warrants alarm for the safety of other persons"

Nowhere does it say "causes"
 
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